Bam Power being sued by Rad Power

jazz

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#2
Most definitely ripped off Rad's bike line, website design, images and graphics illustrating direct to consumer sales
 

Mike's E-Bikes

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#3
Most definitely ripped off Rad's bike line, website design, images and graphics illustrating direct to consumer sales
No kidding.

I.e.
Bam Nomad = Rad Rover
Bam Folding = Rad Mini
Bam Urban = Rad City
Etc.

They claim to 'assemble' all products in US. That seems questionable. Theres a lot of Chinese 'cloning ' out there, and surprised more of this hasnt happened sooner, where the already made in China frames and components, aren't simply duped and re-labeled.

This thing by Bam is incredibly blatant though. Crazy.
 

AZOldTech

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#5
But how much RadPower has copyright on their ebikes if all they do is buy already China made bikes to resell them, something that anyone else can do as well??? I mean even the rack mounts are the same. I mean these are identical bikes. Or is the lawsuit mainly about the website? Cause a tech IT person can redo the website in a few days and BamPower will still be selling the same RadPower bikes that RadPower sells. Cause till now I knew that RadPower bikes are CN made ebikes but I thought the small changes was their design. But now I'm not so sure.
 

jazz

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#6
Doesn't matter if they are selling the same or similarly re-branded bikes, that is not what the suit is about. Rad is suing based on content infringement. Intentional copying of website contents, images, patented color schemes, and/or the design that defines a brand is illegal. In this case, the website design is copied, the graphics are near identical and even Rad's tagline "Built for Everything, Priced for Everyone" was copied word for word. You cannot do that.
 

Mike's E-Bikes

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#7
Yeah everything is rip off of Rad and probably came from the same manufacture too. o_O
That's the single most important issue that the Trump trade tariff resolution needs to address - the blatant IP theft and duping of so many products and suppliers doing exactly what you suggest - could be the same supplier pimping Rad. China govnt turns a blind eye to it all. It's been anything goes in China for 30 years, and hence the risks with zero international recourse. Bam is pretty dumb about it and being so 'in your face ' about it. It's like they were inviting a lawsuit intentionally.
 

Timpo

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But how much RadPower has copyright on their ebikes if all they do is buy already China made bikes to resell them, something that anyone else can do as well??? I mean even the rack mounts are the same. I mean these are identical bikes. Or is the lawsuit mainly about the website? Cause a tech IT person can redo the website in a few days and BamPower will still be selling the same RadPower bikes that RadPower sells. Cause till now I knew that RadPower bikes are CN made ebikes but I thought the small changes was their design. But now I'm not so sure.
yeah I don't see the issue here either.
Rad Power and Bam Power are not THAT similar name that people would be mistaken from one another.

They're both approaching Chinese manufacture and rebranding their bikes and sell them in the USA. So yea, they're basically identical.
I know Trek, Cannondale and Specialized have their patent on some of their suspension design, but this case is not like that.

All I see on the article is website design, but they both look like just another ebike websites.
I see that how they labelled dimensions are very similar, but is that what this lawsuit is about?
 

AZOldTech

Active Member
#9
Doesn't matter if they are selling the same or similarly re-branded bikes, that is not what the suit is about. Rad is suing based on content infringement. Intentional copying of website contents, or patented color schemes, or even the design that defines a brand is illegal. In this case, the website design is copied, the graphics are near identical and even Rad's tagline "Built for Everything, Priced for Everyone" was copied word for word. You cannot do that.
I agree. But as I said this is just a few days work to get it changed. And because of this lawsuit, even though I never knew of BAMPower before, I do now as well as thousands others. So all they managed to do is give them free advertising. A judge would want to see how much impact BamPower had on RadPower and I bet when they compare the sales figures of the two the answer will be almost none. So mainly they will be asked to change their website, which I think they should and it was stupid for them to not do it since day one.
 

Timpo

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That's the single most important issue that the Trump trade tariff resolution needs to address - the blatant IP theft and duping of so many products and suppliers doing exactly what you suggest - could be the same supplier pimping Rad. China govnt turns a blind eye to it all. It's been anything goes in China for 30 years, and hence the risks with zero international recourse. Bam is pretty dumb about it and being so 'in your face ' about it. It's like they were inviting a lawsuit intentionally.
How is this an IP theft?
Isn't IP theft something like if you copy iPhone and make some knock off?

If Rad Power had some proprietary motor design, battery structure, frame design.. and if Bam copied it, sure it's an IP theft.
 

Mike's E-Bikes

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I agree. But as I said this is just a few days work to get it changed. And because of this lawsuit, even though I never knew of BAMPower before, I do now as well as thousands others. So all they managed to do is give them free advertising. A judge would want to see how much impact BamPower had on RadPower and I bet when they compare the sales figures of the two the answer will be almost none. So mainly they will be asked to change their website, which I think they should and it was stupid for them to not do it since day one.
Yup. I thought that too- they just gave Bam tons of free PR. There would have to be proof of material harm and damage to sales, but they can likely get probably things changed about how Bam is marketing. Rad will need to pay for some good legal folks.
 

jazz

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yeah I don't see the issue here either.
Rad Power and Bam Power are not THAT similar name that people would be mistaken from one another.

They're both approaching Chinese manufacture and rebranding their bikes and sell them in the USA. So yea, they're basically identical.
I know Trek, Cannondale and Specialized have their patent on some of their suspension design, but this case is not like that.

All I see on the article is website design, but they both look like just another ebike websites.
I see that how they labelled dimensions are very similar, but is that what this lawsuit is about?
The copyright notice on Rad's website prohibits others from duplicating images, content, text and/or other creative elements on the website. Copyright laws protect intellectual property from theft and this is clearly theft of that content.
 

Timpo

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#13
Doesn't matter if they are selling the same or similarly re-branded bikes, that is not what the suit is about. Rad is suing based on content infringement. Intentional copying of website contents, images, patented color schemes, and/or the design that defines a brand is illegal. In this case, the website design is copied, the graphics are near identical and even Rad's tagline "Built for Everything, Priced for Everyone" was copied word for word. You cannot do that.
I am not trying to take one side... I don't know the whole story.

But have you ever used WIX or any other website developing service?

All you do is edit this website templates, and "bicycle" website is one of them. They have dance studio, investment company, etc... inevitably a lot of websites look similar due to the same or similar templates they used.
 

Timpo

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#14
The copyright notice on Rad's website prohibits others from duplicating images, content, text and/or other creative elements on the website. Copyright laws protect intellectual property from theft and this is clearly theft of that content.
So the fact they offer same lineups of bikes is considered as "duplicating images" of the company?

And also.. yeah I forgot that they copied the slogan.
 

Mike's E-Bikes

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#15
How is this an IP theft?
Isn't IP theft something like if you copy iPhone and make some knock off?

If Rad Power had some proprietary motor design, battery structure, frame design.. and if Bam copied it, sure it's an IP theft.
I know what IP theft is, thank you. And I didn't say anywhere that this situation was IP theft, but that the Trump tariff situation is a lot about IP theft, the importance of the negative impact, and the whole inter-related stealing of all kinds of stuff including copywriting, trademark, inventions, etc which generically falls under 'IP'.
 

Timpo

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#16
I know what IP theft is, thank you. And I didn't say anywhere that this situation was IP theft, but that the Trump tariff situation is a lot about IP theft, the importance of the negative impact, and the whole inter-related stealing of all kinds of stuff including copywriting, trademark, inventions, etc which generically falls under 'IP'.
oops ok sorry I didn't read your comment carefully enough
 

Timpo

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Looks a lot like they copied, and then photoshopped from older images from prior year models.
I am looking at both of their websites right now and I can't really tell which photograph you're referring to.
Yes they do look similar, I mean if you're talking about the bike, they are identical.. but I still think their logo is different enough that you can tell they're different companies.

I don't know how much they can claim the copyright infringement?

Let's talk about cars.

For example, we know that Magna is one of the largest factory for cars. They build cars for Toyota, BMW, Porsche, Chrysler, Aston Martin, and so on.
So when the car manufactures design cars, they will send the very confidential blue print to the factory (in this case, Magna) and Magna will build the car for the client car companies.
Now, if that's the case, Magna can't just produce Aston Martin (for example) on their own, and offer random company to just rebadge it and resell it. Because Aston Martin engineered worked hard to design the car.

However, if RAD's deal between the factory was similar to Alibaba/AliExpress, where factory will design/engineer/produce the bike, and look for the client to resell them, then I imagine that's a bit different.

I know Giant has a pretty big factory, so they do have some client bicycle companies that Giant build for them. (If that's the case, my guess is that Giant's can't just steal other manufacture's blue print and rebadge it and give to somebody else to resell them)

But did RAD design those bikes? If they didn't, the only argument they have is the logo, color scheme, etc.. but so far, I can see the difference between these companies. :confused:

Also when I first read your thread, I was like... WHAT THE HECK IS BAM POWER !!!???