Electric Scooters vs. Full Sized Electric Bikes

Discussion in 'Help Choosing an Ebike' started by Court, Feb 20, 2014.

  1. JayVee

    JayVee Well-Known Member

    Um... no... And, come to think of it, the battery is kind of heavy. I don't have a garage with an electric outlet... :(
     
  2. Mike leroy

    Mike leroy Active Member

    Have you ever seen the BMW pictures of the scooter without the fairing? The frame structure is almost entirely devoted to the 96V battery. The battery weight becomes its own worst enemy after some point. A bicycle is so well suited to an electric motor due to hollow tubes. Scooter design, by its nature, makes it difficult to achieve the same power-to-weight ratios as bicycles.
     
  3. ecorecoscooteruser

    ecorecoscooteruser New Member

    Not sure if the post about the wheels was directed at the M5. I honestly couldn't tell whether its the wheels or the shocks as I've never ridden an M3 to compare. But they work. Ecoreco does make a bag which is really easy to get the scooter into and out of. I just wish it wore more like a backpack than a messenger bag*: (see second product listed.)
    http://ecorecoscooter.com/product-category/accessories/

    *it does say it can be worn as a backpack, but as ashamed as I am to say it, I couldn't figure out how to wear this comfortably as one, at least during today's hectic morning commute and rush out of the office home. They don't have a picture or instructions for how the "backpack" should be worn.

    First Day use impressions:

    This sccoter is a dream to ride in the city. The only drawback is that 35lb is a bit hefty; not sure how this will play out long term. The carry case does make it easier to carry around, but as stated above, backpack carrier would be better.. I did not do the first full charge today it since the instructions, placed on the charging port of the scooter (very clever), state to discharge until the scooter auto shuts down for the first two uses.

    In the morning commute, I saw another ecoreco user with the M5 and caught up with him at a light. Turns out he's been using it for 6 months. He reported only one slight problem due to not tightening the handle screw enough. I actually rode a few blocks not having activated the lock lever for the handle in the upright position; thankfully nothing happened. He sped off and I was unable to keep up since I'm not yet comfortable riding this at top speed. It is fast, and rides very smoothly.

    With the 50% factory charge, I was able to go 6.5 miles and there's still some juice left. This wasn't at full power and full throttle, but I do believe now that their 15 mile range is probably reasonable. Can't comment yet on a 20 mile range.

    I'll comment again after the first full charge and full discharge.

    -J
    Ecoreco Discount Code*: NJfVYC
    *(Gets you $50 off a scooter, and gives me some credit towards a future purchase ;) )
    Ecoreco Free Shipping Code: EVSCOOTER
     
  4. Mike leroy

    Mike leroy Active Member

    I am curious whether one system has a better suspension, or not. Hard to imagine how tire size compensates for springs. I suppose most scooter riders avoid speed bumps. A speed bump might be a good test.

    As far as carrying is concerned, investing in a high quality pack is worthwhile. Have you tried REI or MountainSmith? A folding scooter strikes me as being similar to carrying a bow and arrow. Some special arrow backpacks have cylinder containers.

    I could image stuffing the scooter into a cylinder. If the cylinder had several strategically placed straps, the perceived weight might only feel like 10-15 pounds on your back. I would imagine the best straps locations would be at the hips, chest and shoulders.

    35 pounds is significant weight. I often carry that amount. I distribute the weight between a fanny and backpack. The dense weight goes into the fanny pack. I hardly feel the weight, even though I carry it 2 miles up a 10% average grade.

    Something like http://mountainsmith.com/index.php/cooler-tube.html and http://mountainsmith.com/index.php/products/strapettes.html
     
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  5. ecorecoscooteruser

    ecorecoscooteruser New Member

    Thanks for the ideas Mike. The carry bag is pretty nice and fits the M5 very well, so I am hoping it'll work out long term. But I will definitely try your suggestions if this turns out otherwise.

    After writing the post, I tried to wear the carry bag like a backpack. But the thread lacing on the strap I lifted up to my shoulder tore! I'm hoping this is a fluke, since I'm sure many other eco users have used these bags in the past. So I've written them and asked for a replacement, as well as follow up on my discount code which has yet to be credited.

    I'll keep this thread updated with the responses I get from their customer service.
     
  6. Mike leroy

    Mike leroy Active Member

    35 pounds is very heavy for a pack. It is literally the weight of two bowling balls. I regularly weigh my fanny pack on the grocery store checkout scale. The clerks and I play a guessing game. I generally carry 10-15 pounds, which is like carrying a bowling ball!

    They need to provide a rugged system. My guess is four inch webbing, at a minimum. Not sure how the pack is sewn/made. I seriously doubt you can sling 35 pounds over your shoulder in a reliable and comfortable manner, without hip and chest straps.
     
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  7. Racingkyle

    Racingkyle Member

    I own a Goped Esr-750h lipo 32amp hour. I am very sad that goped is going into bankrupt because of a bad court ruling. My opinion is that electric bikes are well worth it. I have the best scooter on the market, but it can't do nearly as much as some of these electric bikes. If you have any questions on my goped, feel free to ask
     
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  8. ecorecoscooteruser

    ecorecoscooteruser New Member

    Update: My M5 has over 1000 miles and still going strong. I did have to send it back to the company a few months back when something shorted due to moisture. The company repaired it for free and sent it back to me. However, when I was without the M5, I wasn't a happy camper...

    This past week I received the ecoreco XS model (did the indegogo back in Jan). The XS is their budget model. First impressions out of the box was that it was very sleek with all the carbon fiber, really big and bright front LED light bar, and very very light compared to the M5. The throttle and breaks were also the updated paddle type vs the grip on the m5. So much slicker cosmetically than the M5. Unfortunately, having the M5 ride experience, the XS is definitely NOT a replacement.

    The XS lets you choose between 3 separate ride levels, limiters. On the highest, level 3, the fastest I could go was about 11 mph - seemed like 8-9 was average. Very slow compared to the speed of the M5 where I am zipping by bicycles sometimes. Also, on my daily commute where I go 2 miles each way, the battery meter kept dipping to one bar on my way back. It would recover to 2 bar when I let go of the accelerator, but looks like 4-5 miles on level 3 is about its limit (which is what is represent by ecoreco anyway).

    I ordered this as part of the indigogo kickstarter type thing back in Jan. The XS is still listed as not available on the ecoreco website, and the s/n is a very neat round number, so I'm thinking my XS might be one of the first to ship. But in any event, if ecoreco had upped the battery pack on this and upp'd the speed to 15 mph, this would be an M5 replacement (which is probably why they didn't). There's an petite older lady in my building who wanted to try out my M5 - I've been alittle hesitant due to its weight and speed. The XS is something I'd definitely recommend to her since its much lighter. Would also be good for older kids who might lose control using an M5.

    FYI, the charge on mine shipped without the wall plug. But I noticed that the charger they ultimately used is different from the one pictured on their online manual. It doesn't need to be oriented to plug in, as it like a laptop plug. The online manual also doesn't explain anything about the ride levels, and has some other problems that probably relate to features that were dropped in the final product.

    When I registered my XS with ecoreco, they provided a discount code (4m8pks). I know the M5 discount code (NJfVCY) gave $50 off any one who uses it, but I don't know what sort of discount one would get with an XS discount which is much cheaper ($400 vs originally $1200 for the M5, now their equivalent models are in the $800-$900 range). But every little bit helps, right?
     
  9. ecorecoscooteruser

    ecorecoscooteruser New Member

  10. Leandro

    Leandro Member

    I have recently noticed the Genze 2.o electric scooter gaining a following although the scooter is illegal to operate without a license in NYC. I have had a chance to ride Genze's electric bicycle and was not impressed. The scooter on the other hand looks to be a quality product.
     
  11. rich c

    rich c Active Member

    You can't ride it on rail trails and not for streets with 30 mph or more speed limits. I bet it's no fun getting it up to an apartment either. That makes for a limited number of places to ride it.