The biggest reason I need to have the display is to monitor the battery life. I’ll typically go for a 30 to 40 mile ride Using most of the battery life. I like the Strava app much better for navigation and speed. The display on my iphone is small therefore hard to read.i have a 2019 explore e+3, also like you it doesn't come with a display on the handle bar. I used the Giant app 5 - 6 times, it was able to record my rides fine. However, i was either using it on the background and just shut off the screen, and never try to leave the screen on during riding.
i primarily rely on the 5 LED indication light for battery trackingThe biggest reason I need to have the display is to monitor the battery life. I’ll typically go for a 30 to 40 mile ride Using most of the battery life. I like the Strava app much better for navigation and speed. The display on my iphone is small therefore hard to read.
You are not missing anything imo.Same. What are we missing here?
I have not tried the phone app yet...my bike is due tomorrow. Whoot!!
Court just did a review on the e+4Our LBS that carries Giant is one of the bigger ones in the area, great reputation.
They had a 2020 on the floor - it's all black. The sales guy looked online and said they had ONE 2019 left, it would have to ship from the east coast, and I could have it at a big discount. He said no changes for 2020.
So I test rode the black one and love it so ordered the 2019.
I've since found out there may have been an update at some point to a 6-sensor control verses 4-sensor. I haven't been able to confirm that, nor when it was implemented.
Oh well, I'm sure it will be fine. LOL. Besides, the color combo on the '19 was way nicer IMO.
After seeing all the e-bike displays the innocuous LED one on the Explore was refreshing. Liked it!
No, I’m not expecting a Giant to install the 2018 display. I would like to work with them to determine why the current system is not working. There has to be an issue with the Bluetooth signal. Like I said earlier, Giant has been good to work with.So, you think they're going to install a 2018 display on your 2020 bike?
Somehow I don't think that's really going to happen, but I guess we'll see.
Court just did a review on the e+4
I would also like to know the difference between the 4 speed VS 6 speed.
Otherwise here are the difference between the 19 E+3 VS 20 E+4
1. 19 uses Shimano MT200 Hydraulic brake, 20 uses Tekro
2. 19 uses 180mm rotors for both front and back
3. The saddle is also different between 19 and 20
4. 2020 suspension folk has no lockout option according to Court's video
Good luck with the new bike! I’m sure you’ll enjoy it. I’m located in the Detroit area and I’ve found trails all over the area to check out. I can cover distance that I would never be able to do on a standard bike due to, like you, I’m old!I like his reviews, if not a bit geeky, but very informative and covers all the bases. I actually thought he did another one on the same model, from the same shop - this one looks a bit different from what I remember. In any case, the yamaha mid-rive and upgraded components sold me, then the test ride - whoa!! It is way fun and goes very smoothly.
On the battery - that's a Yamaha feature - it unlatches out the side instead of lifting up or back. They can tuck it in tighter on any given frame. I like the way it's integrated into the frame, and along with the same on the motor, it's a really nice looking and clean design. IMO the gray and green from 2019 was much better looking than the 2020 model in all black with blue accents. I don't get too hung up on color, but for a big discount the other color was just icing on the cake.
My sales guy mentioned his recent test/report - it's the same shop. Fullerton Bicycles has a good reputation - I think they pump out a LOT of bikes.
Here in Orange County it seems like there's a bike shop every couple of miles. And right next door to them is Fullerton Electric Bike Shop - Kevin also did a video with Court on the new Yamaha bikes. As I mentioned elsewhere, I would probably have bought one of the new ones from Yamaha but the Giant Explore had more of what I wanted in a bike, an ebike.
supposedly the 6-sensor controller was implemented in late 2019, so I'll be anxious to know exactly what I got with mine - I'm good either way.
And yes, I forgot about the Shimano brakes - I'm good there as well. Wife's Roll has the Tektro mechanical (cable) disc brakes and they're fantastic.
The saddle will probly get replaced - it looks like a medieval torture device. LOL Actually it didn't ride too bad, so I'll give it a college-try.
While there's no lock out you can run the preload way down to really firm it up. Were it a pedal only I would probly balk, but for a ebike it's going to be fine. IMO a suspension fork is a must-have for an ebike due to speeds and for comfort. It's not like your pedaling is getting absorbed by the suspension that your motor doesn't make up for. And I ordered a Satori Harmony suspension seatpost for mine. If it's just crap I'll look at something up-model from there. Just a little something to take the edge off.
I also ordered Schwalbe Marathons, and a 45* riser stem to get the bars up a little more - I'm old.
I'll surely post a more detailed review when I get it - it's due in tomorrow.
Glad to hear everything is good! Hope you enjoy the ride.Picked up the new bike - it's kind of fun just to get a new toy. 2019 Explore+ 3
Took a quick test ride down the street - saddle is more comfy than the 2020, has a little more padding - maybe gel?
Front forks were locked out - cool little lever on top - turn it to lock or unlock. Preload on the left, not sure what the other settings on the right lockout controller does. They did seem to work well though - my first suspension bike.
I don't know yet about 4 or 6 sensor control - not even sure how to tell. In the short ride it seemed the same as the 2020 test I did.
Batt is home on the charger - had 2 bars. Nice that you can remove it and take it in the house to charge.
Shop checked for current firmware version/update on the controller - said it was good to go. Free tune-ups for a year. [shrug]
Congratulations on the new bike!I'll have to snap a pic or two...as I customize mine. Tinkered a bit on it last night and did some testing around the block. It surely gets up to 20 in a hurry! Effortless riding for sure.
I installed a 90mm 45* stem which raised the bars up at least an inch. Whoa - way so much better.
And the Satori seatpost - it's the cheapo one with the internal spring, but testing it out seems to work exactly what needed. The whole bikes is smooth and very comfortable. The 2019 seat is surely different than the 2020, I like this one better. We'll see.
And I moved over my bike bottle cage - but my SS water bottle won't clear the frame top-bar. Oh well. At least there's one there. And mounted my air pump carrier next to it on the frame next to it.
Moved my rear rack over, it clamps to the seatpost with a small expandable top bag.
And my phone mount on the bars.
It's coming along. I ordered a e-bike side stand for the 18mm mounting, waiting on it. What a hassle it is without a sidestand!!
I had ordered Schwalbe Marathons in 45mm for our paved surfaces, but decided a 2" tire would be even better - that's 50mm. But in looking close at the tires shipped from BikeTiresDirecdt it turns out one is a Marathon and one is a Marathon Plus, and both are 47's. So I'm going to keep them and install them and see how they go.
Also in looking closer at tires and wheels I was surprised to see the rims were wider on the back - 21c rear and 19c fronts. "Optimized for ebike", both rims and tires. And crossed spoke lacing. They surely beefed things up a bit for electric assist.
I played with the fork settings and dialed the preload and damping to what seemed like would work well. They're pretty smooth for a cheaper fork. The lockout and damper adjust is a little odd in that there are several clicks of adjustment, but when you get a few clicks closer to the lockout it locks out. So it's not linear, at least not that I could tell. Works pretty well though. Brakes are fantastic, and the motor is virtually silent. On mode-5 you hardly have to pedal, it's really cool.
Have not tried the smartphone app - did I see there were at least a couple of versions? Any recommendations? I did a quick browse of the owners manual and nothing about the app popped out at me. I'll have to look again.
Now anxious to put some miles on it, try it out.
Oh, and I have chamois padded bikeshorts, and padded 'motoskivees' shorts from my motorcycle days. I don't generally put them on unless there's a LOT of miles to cover. I don't like the bulk or the heat and moisture they trap. They may well be a necessity with the longer saddle times now available with pedal assist!
10/26 update: Took the bike into my local Giant dealer to resolve this issue. He now has a diagnostic software device that can look into the bike electronics with more depth than we can. It basically showed the issue was with the controller. We swapped out the controller with another controller he had in the shop and everything is now working with the exception that I ‘lost’ the “auto” level. It is no longer an option. (Perhaps the “auto” mode is new and not programmed into a older controller?)I picked up my new Explore +4 bike today and everything is great except for an issue with the Ride Control Unit. The unit freezes up on my phone after a minute or so. I reset it several times but to no avail. Any suggestions on what to look for?