Learning to ride an ebike: How ebiking skills are different from general cycling skills, and how they develop

#42
One thing that has occurred to me is that there are probably software changes to pedal assist modes (and possibly the addition of other sensors like a clinometer) that could make the whole pedal assist thing feel much more natural and also make it dramatically more efficient. That's something to watch for.
I'm quite surprised nobody has come out with a clinometer that automatically adjusts the assist level. Really, I just want to ride with consistent speed related to pedal effort and let the motor fill in as needed to make it so. Basically flatten all the hills without me fiddling with PAS levels.
 
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#43
<snip> that meant pulling the bike over at an angle to get aboard. <snip> -Al
Try practicing the moving-while-boarding technique. My favorite, and if you master it for dismounting while still moving you are instantly cool as you go from riding to walking beside your bike in one fluid motion. This guy demonstrates the boarding at the 1min mark:

My lessons with a new ebike:
1. when pulling it out of the rack in the garage, carefull where you grab the grip/throttle because you may just twist it and send it shooting off into the side of the car. (no damage, phew)
2. when hopping off a curb with a little wheelie like you've done a thousand times before, remember that the rear wheel motor is also pushing and the wheelie might go way further back than expected, dumping you off the back as you frantically run while holding the handlebars of a bouncing vertical bike. I managed to avoid the face-plant, but just barely. Also known as "looping" in motorcycle circles.
 

indianajo

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#44
What is a good ebike for carrying air conditioners and lawn mowers?
Xtracycle edgerunner, yubabikes spicey curry bosch. Low cargo deck, stretch frame.
I'm happy for sl_duck that he is still 20 something, or younger. Actually, I was never that coordinated. And hopping off curbs is for shoes, not bicycles. No wonder other people break spokes.
 

christob

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#46
Try practicing the moving-while-boarding technique. My favorite, and if you master it for dismounting while still moving you are instantly cool as you go from riding to walking beside your bike in one fluid motion. This guy demonstrates the boarding at the 1min mark:
The mount shown at 1:32 is crazy! But I can see I'd probably try it if I had that full-suspension jumper!
 

AHicks

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#47
Try practicing the moving-while-boarding technique. My favorite, and if you master it for dismounting while still moving you are instantly cool as you go from riding to walking beside your bike in one fluid motion. This guy demonstrates the boarding at the 1min mark:
I used to mount/dismount that way, but then I got old and no longer have the confidence in my coordination/balance reflexes. Still find myself doing it on occasion with the right conditions and a bike I know really well.
 

harryS

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#49
I haven't ever even thought about it. Throw your leg over and go.
Try it from the other side sometime. Unless you are ambidextrous, you will think a bit about how to do about it. I decided it was impossible from the crank-gear side unless I was south of the equator.
 

DDBB

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#50
I do the lean over technique because of the bag on my rear rack. My wife laughs as she straddles her step through in a milisecond. The push off and swing your leg over is great and how I always rode when I was younger but if you try it and can't get your leg over, you are doomed
 
#52
I used to mount/dismount that way, but then I got old and no longer have the confidence in my coordination/balance reflexes. Still find myself doing it on occasion with the right conditions and a bike I know really well.
I admit to using the curb as a “mounting block” wherever I can. It’s easier on my back. I should really have a step through, but I do love my bike....
 

harryS

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#53
Why would I do that ?
Agreed, but a fast moving rock bounced off my left ankle a week ago and it it was too painful to do the flying mount off the left foot, but I could still pedal. I wondered if I could mount from the other side. No way. I would have hurt the other foot too. Good to have a bike for all purposes. Dragged out the step-thru.
 
#56
Lessons I've learned:

1) If you have to lift an e-bike (onto a repair stand, bike rack, etc) take the battery off first. It shaves close to 10 pounds off the lift weight. E-bikes are heavy.
2) Direct drive bikes are very tail heavy and have a much different center of balance on the horizontal axis.
3) The motor helps most whenever I would have had the urge to stand up in the pedals and crank hard. Use the correct gear and standing up and pumping hard can be a thing of the past.
 

TForan

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#57
Lessons I've learned:

1) If you have to lift an e-bike (onto a repair stand, bike rack, etc) take the battery off first. It shaves close to 10 pounds off the lift weight. E-bikes are heavy.
2) Direct drive bikes are very tail heavy and have a much different center of balance on the horizontal axis.
3) The motor helps most whenever I would have had the urge to stand up in the pedals and crank hard. Use the correct gear and standing up and pumping hard can be a thing of the past.
The only time I stand up is to stretch . No need to, even on the steepest hills.
 

AlanDB

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#59
Swing a leg over this. One of the reasons I wanted a step-thru. I just sit on the saddle with one toe on the ground, nudge the throttle and start pedaling.
This is the one main reason I wish my e-bike had a throttle (it doesn't), although with the Shimano Nexus IGH, it is easy to shift to a low gear for a smooth pedal-power start even if you forgot to downshift before stopping. That said, it seems to me they could safely put a throttle on a mid-drive bike that has a IGH, and just have an electronic cut off for the throttle if there is too much of torque draw when you try to use it from a stop in too high of a gear. Oh well ... just dreaming about would be ideal. I suspect some day mid-drive ebikes with auto-shifting hubs will have a throttle.
 

DDBB

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#60
The Yamaha system works great as just slight pedal pressure engages the motor so starting off uphill or in traffic is never a problem as long as you have a foot on a pedal and are pushing down. It's not jumpy either.. Light pressure gives light motor response, firm pressure gives more