New Giant ToughRoad (2018 model)

Saratoga Dave

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#1
Purchased new April 2019, ordered from warehouse. They have five left! I wanted the display screen - the 2019 has moved all that out to a phone. Three power levels instead of five, that's plenty. Marginally less battery life, but far more at 500 pack than my Trek bike with a Powerpack 400. 20mphClass 1 vs my Class 3 Trek XM700+, which is not appearing to be an issue at all. Now then:

At only three days in and 103 miles, it’s a little early to be making large pronouncements, but I will offer up two quick first impressions on the new ToughRoad.

I was greatly pleased at how easy it is to pedal with the power turned off. While riding it around the parking lot getting the seat height dialed in, I completely forgot to even turn it on, it was so smooth. BIG difference from the Bosch experience. Very promising for range on longer rides or tours. A big plus. The first 20 mile ride I took I did with no power at all for a good third of the trip just because I could.

I could probably ride the entire Erie Canal route on two charges, if careful enough and the wind was right (going backwards, west to east). I’ll let you know, it’s on the agenda again next month.

Whether it’s the Yamaha motor itself, the way Giant tunes them, or a combination of both, the power delivery is extremely, extremely smooth. You hardly feel it come in, and you don’t feel it go out at 20 mph. It’s a very interesting sensation and it’s going to take a while to get familiar with it. I like it, though. I don’t know if I’d say it’s better or worse than the Bosch way, just very different.

It can really climb, and in only Normal mode. No need for Power mode below maybe 12% hill. That extra torque really makes a difference.

Brakes on the Trek are way better! So far, at least.

More to come when I get five or six hundred miles on it and have an opinion based on actual experience. I’m. I’m very pleasantly impressed so far, though. Very solid and aggressive.
 

DaveMatthews

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#2
Got to agree on the way the powertrain is setup. Having a "normal" style bicycle gear type seemed a great idea, especially if/when you ever have a lack of battery power.
Nice write up, and congrats!
 

JayVee

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#3
Good write up. Glad you’re enjoying the bike. About the hill climbing, I wouldn’t be surprised if it were to climb better than the Bosch. Part of this is due to gear ratios. The Trek being a class 3, it probably had a 20T crank ( meaning 50), and you told us you paired it with an 11-42 cassette in another thread. That gives an effective lowest gear ratio of 1:1.19. With your new bike you have a 42T crank with an 11-42 cassette. That translates into a climb ratio of 1:1 in the lowest gear, which is much more favorable for climbing hills. In addition the Yamaha drive is fairly torquey.

Enjoy. :)
 

Saratoga Dave

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#4
I’ll be damned if didn’t come with the 48 tooth crank, despite what the specs said. I know some others here have seen the same thing. My initial thought was to pitch a bitch about where is my 42 tooth, but having seen now how it behaves, I think I’ll let it go.

The Trek Performance Speed had, I think, 63 newton meters of torque... this thing has 80, and what a difference that makes! I never have gotten to try the CX motor which I think is 72?

For that matter, I measure all hills against the stuff in your videos, JayVee. Some of those freeze my blood just looking at them!
 
#5
After checking out various options, I picked up a 2018 Toughroad GX E+ at Goride Bikes in Redwood City, CA for $1999 last week, which seems like a pretty good deal. It's both my first gravel bike and e-bike, and I'm loving the setup for roaming San Francisco and local trails.

Edit: this bike is changing how I think about cycling. Being 58 and in okay shape, I now think nothing of jumping on and riding to the top of Twin Peaks on a drizzly day. Normal mode is plenty to get me up the hills with a mild burn at 85 rpm. Honestly the 20mph governor is probably a good thing and the transition feels really smooth. I'm also really happy with the gravel bike in SF as our roads are pretty bad.
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After checking out various options, I picked up a 2018 Toughroad GX E+ at Goride Bikes in Redwood City, CA for $1999 last week, which seems like a pretty good deal. It's both my first gravel bike and e-bike, and I'm loving the setup for roaming San Francisco and local trails.

Edit: this bike is changing how I think about cycling. Being 58 and in okay shape, I now think nothing of jumping on and riding to the top of Twin Peaks on a drizzly day. Normal mode is plenty to get me up the hills with a mild burn at 85 rpm. Honestly the 20mph governor is probably a good thing and the transition feels really smooth. I'm also really happy with the gravel bike in SF as our roads are pretty bad. View attachment 32961