Ride1up range per battery charge

rcdanner

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True - the R1up has slower level 1 and 2, but that is due to lower torque. It just cannot accelerate as fast. The difference is on hills where the Pace stands out. By the way, you can control the top speed in level 1, by adjusting pedal cadence, by choosing the right gear. Amphour rating has nothing to do with speed and is the capacity of the battery determining range.
Mike, You are absolutely right about acceleration and power. The Aventon 500 is quite a bit stronger than the Ride1Up City. Tested both on the same hill. Aventon at PAS 5 went up at 28-29mph with strong pedalling. The Ride1Up at PAS 9 could only manage 21mph with similar pedalling effort. On full throttle the 500 hit a little over 20mph while Ride1Up managed 17-18mph. I imagine with better tires (higher pressure less rolling resistance) the 500 could even do better with less pedalling.
 

AlanC

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I kind of wish I had read these posts before I bought the Ride1up. So far it fits my purposes - hopefully the company will be around for a while.
 

AZOldTech

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Ive ridden both and no they don't. He is right about how weak the R1Up is.
And I've ridden both too and I say they are similar on assist levels, with the Ride1up plenty strong given its own limitation of 25mph max speed versus the 28mph for the Pace. And they both produce that speed from similar 500W motors. The difference is 12% in top speed between the two and maybe that is what is the difference you "feel". Remember that the Ride1up used to be $999 when I bought it (and included the LCD display) while now is $1200 and no LCD (vs the Pace which has stayed $1400). So the price difference used to be 30% more for 12% more speed while now is 16% more for 12% more speed (and you also get hydraulic brakes and LCD display versus +$55 for LCD on the Ride1up). So IMO given these current prices, the Aventon Pace 500 is clearly the better buy now.
 
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AZOldTech

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Mike, You are absolutely right about acceleration and power. The Aventon 500 is quite a bit stronger than the Ride1Up City. Tested both on the same hill. Aventon at PAS 5 went up at 28-29mph with strong pedalling. The Ride1Up at PAS 9 could only manage 21mph with similar pedalling effort. On full throttle the 500 hit a little over 20mph while Ride1Up managed 17-18mph. I imagine with better tires (higher pressure less rolling resistance) the 500 could even do better with less pedalling.
There is a difference on top speed with the Ride1up, or any ebike for that matter, with a fully charge battery (90-100%). I have no problem hitting 25mph on throttle alone or PAS 9 (its max speed) even when riding heels IF the battery is fully charged. The top speed drops once the charge goes below 85%. But then again that's true on the different ebikes that I've tried. Having said that the Avanton Pace 500 has a bigger battery 10.4 vs 11.6 which should last longer with a top speed of 28mph. So given the current prices of both the Aventon 500 is the better buy with its hydraulic brakes and included LCD display vs +$55 extra for the LCD display on the Ride1up. When I bought my Ride1up it was $999 and included the LCD display. BTW, I'm happy with the Ride1up, its built, speed (25mph) and range (30 miles). If the prices were the same as back when I bought it ($999 w/LCD), I would buy it again. But given the huge increase in price (+20% and no LCD), if I wanted an ebike now, I would go for the Pace 500.
 
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AZOldTech

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I kind of wish I had read these posts before I bought the Ride1up. So far it fits my purposes - hopefully the company will be around for a while.
Even though I like the Pace 500 very much, and I do recommend it, you need to be aware of couple of things. First, unlike the Ride1up, the Pace 500 comes with a rigid fork so your ride will feel every bump of the road. So you will either have to purchase a suspension fork or a suspension seatpost or both if you want a more cushioned ride. Also it comes with 15 degree sweptback handlebar that I'm not a fan of but you may not have a problem with. Also the throttle does not work like you would think (which is very weird as I've never seen an ebike throttle work that way before) as you have to give it a few pedal strokes for it to kick in, and it is limited to 20mph (pedelec on the other hand is 28mph). Also this is a cadence sensor only ebike (just like the Ride1up), as I think someone mentioned incorrectly that it also has a torque sensor (it does not). See court explaining it at 2:45 as well as the throttle. I'm also including a 2nd review that mentions some other issues that the reviewer experienced. But in general, the Pace 500 is a great ebike for the money and even with its quirks I do recommend it over the Ride1up after its +20% price increase. However if I had it I would have changed the fork and the handlebar and try to find a way to reprogram that weird throttle to work up to 28mph (instead of 20mph) and without the need to pedal to engage it.
 
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However if I had it I would ... try to find a way to reprogram that weird throttle to work up to 28mph (instead of 20mph) and without the need to pedal to engage it.
The US Class III standard is for pedal assist up to 28mph and throttle (if one is available) up to 20mph. That is probably why it behaves this way. If the throttle assisted the speed beyond 20mph it wouldn't be a class III bike.
 

AZOldTech

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The US Class III standard is for pedal assist up to 28mph and throttle (if one is available) up to 20mph. That is probably why it behaves this way. If the throttle assisted the speed beyond 20mph it wouldn't be a class III bike.
The weirdness that I'm referring to is the need to pedal to engage it, and that is not a Class III anything. And I'm sure that both the speed as well as the need to pedal are software controlled and so should be changeable. BTW, the Ride1up throttle works without a speed limit (pedelec or throttle makes no difference on speed limit to 25mph) and without the need to pedal to engage it. And IMO, that is the right way to do a throttle.
 

AZOldTech

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...hopefully the company will be around for a while.
There is nothing proprietary on the Ride1up, even if the company is no more (unlike buying any of these other expensive custom frame/battery made ebikes). You can buy everything off the shelf to replace if something stops working past the 1 year warranty period. And in many ways you can improve the ride1up if you do. Upgrade the standard 48V Reention Dorado battery with up to 21Ah DOUBLE your current battery capacity. Upgrade - your gearing and breaking are Shimano and Tektro and can be replaced with same or even better Shimano/Tektro components, even hydraulic brakes. The motor is a 500W Bafang motor that is readily available off the self, and the standard 48V Lishui controller can be replaced with same or with 48V Bafang controller which also gives you access to a myriad of Bafang LCD displays with more information and other features. The point is that everything can be replaced on the ebike without the need for the company to be around. That is another reason why I chose the Ride1up, use of easily replaceable standard components, on top of good quality for the price when I bought it.

BTW, I have upgraded my Ride1up with integrated rear light, better rolling resistance tires, rack, fenders and gearing (front and back) with minimal cost (about $60 for front & back gearing, $45 for the tires and about $95 for rack, bag, fenders and rear integrated light).
https://electricbikereview.com/forum/threads/integrated-brake-light.25988/#post-179317
 
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AZOldTech

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The US Class III standard is for pedal assist up to 28mph and throttle (if one is available) up to 20mph. That is probably why it behaves this way. If the throttle assisted the speed beyond 20mph it wouldn't be a class III bike.
BTW, I found this from Bosch's page which states that class 3 ebikes are NOT supposed to have throttle: https://electricbikereview.com/forum/threads/another-twist-to-throttle-vs-pas-ebikes-comments-wanted.28435/page-2#post-201223
Of course IF this regulation was to become state or federally mandated (meaning all 50 states), you just disconnect the higo connector and remove the throttle from the Ride1up/Pace 500 (or whatever ebike >20mph you have) and the throttle is gone, so no big deal.
 
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BTW, I found this from Bosch's page which states that class 3 ebikes are NOT supposed to have throttle: https://electricbikereview.com/forum/threads/another-twist-to-throttle-vs-pas-ebikes-comments-wanted.28435/page-2#post-201223
I had thought that most legislation allowed throttles up to 20mph for class 3 bikes, a sort of class 2+3. But, looking into it some more it appears that I am wrong. Legal definitions of class 3 don't seem to include throttle to any speed. For example, California defines it in section 312.5 as follows: A “class 3 electric bicycle,” or “speed pedal-assisted electric bicycle,” is a bicycle equipped with a motor that provides assistance only when the rider is pedaling, and that ceases to provide assistance when the bicycle reaches the speed of 28 miles per hour, and equipped with a speedometer (from https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml?bill_id=201520160AB1096)
 

AZOldTech

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FWIW Ride1up now has a 17.5Ah battery for the 500 for $449