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Carbon is supposed to be 4x stronger if made right. If you are doing 10' jumps then (a) I suppose it matters and you would want a lighter frame at that point, and (b) you are a beast and I am jealous. I snapped an aluminum frame as a kid but that was rust-induced on a BMX bike.

Hydra is carbon fiber. Frey EX is aluminum, correct?

Does "looks like" mean you actually weighed it? My $1,000 hardtail aluminum NCM Moscow is 56 lbs so I tend to think the Kirby is closer to that 50.76 lbs.

I bought an NCM Moscow. I had the motor crap out after 60 days, called Leon Cycles who asked me to make a video so they could justify it with NCM, and they sent a replacement right away. That's good customer service right there. I burnt out the brakes in about 90 days - wish I got the Plus...

Thanks so much for taking the time to post this. I had the Kirby eBike on my watch list but that guy never replied to my email inquiries. I love his videos and thought it was a nice bike with components listed. At $6K it's priced close to a Hydra with Archon max'd out + Kindernay.

Making friends on EBR forums - very cool and looks like a great time! Thanks for sharing.

Guilty as charged. I'll own that. I did search but not for the terminology. When looking up cafe ebike I got pics of scramblers and just assumed.

Thanks so much for taking the time to clarify. I originally thought the Scrambler was a Cafe. My interest is more Cafe Racer style.

Funny to see this thread...was just talking about this category with a friend as I've seen 2 of these in the past week. I'm not a fan of the cafe bike with banana seat. It did not last in the gas-powered world during the 70s as the more radical designs took over. I think a more...

That is a beautiful bike. Trek continues to impress with their designs. $12K though - yikes! I could buy a Jeep.

Yeah I just saw your other post which answered my own question. I keep seeing those types of bikes here in San Diego - a modernized version of the classic DIY dirt bikes of the 70s using a lawnmower motor and instructions out of the back of Popular Mechanics...next to the DIY helicopter every...

Did you buy an X1 Enduro? It would be great to see a head-to-head review if you have the ability and interest.

Erectile dysfunction ads come next.

Yes...never seen one of their ads though.

Out of curiosity, where do they advertise since they are direct-to-consumer? Selling 100K bikes is quite astonishing. I'm not sure how they got there and word of mouth is nice but not that nice. Love the mobile vans as a consumer!

Don;t forget you have Chinese New Year and factories shut down for 2 weeks. Looking like Feb 12 until MAR 1.

Holy Moly! For cross reference... Tesla Model 3 max 493 Nm Ferrari 458 hits 300 Nm at 4300 rpm (max 575 Nm) Kawasaki Z900 max 98.6 Nm Wear your helmet!

That tool is really cool - never seen anything like it. I have a better idea of what the bike looks like actually. Can you make without fat tire style? It may help you to put a handful of those exotic color styles on there that change with the sunlight reflection but that is probably too...

I tried to find it on YouTube but there was a video of someone doing an easy 43 mph (flat road) on an Ultimate Commuter Pro (the Hydra is lighter). So 30 mph uphill should be simple. I spoke to an Olympic road racer who said they get up to the low 40s during training so maybe you can be a pace...

Yes indeed. I am getting tired of drooling while looking at it...may pull the trigger soon. That bike checks every box...nicer than a Specialized Turbo Levo when you consider the power is more important than total weight. I may do a custom color just not sure what I want.