2019 Frey Fat AM1000

scordato

New Member
Hi,

New to the forum here.

I am in market for full suspension fat bike with as much power as possible to handle soft sand beaches near me and some trail riding. I was considering the juggernaut ultra fs as well. I am looking for the highest performance bike for the money. The Frey components are: Motor: Bafang Ultra G510.1000 48V 1000W mid motor system. Battery: 48V/21Ah powered by 78pcs 3500mA 18650 cells; Front fork: RST Renegade air suspension front fork for fat bike with thru axle 150*15mm; Handlebar & Stem: Promax brand alloy mountain style. Seat post: Promax brand alloy. Saddle: SR comfortable saddle; Brakes: TEKTRO HD E725 4-piston Hydraulic, front/rear 203mm discs. Transmission: Shimano DEORE M6000 10 speed gears. 11-42T cassette; Tire: KENDA 26*4.5” fat tire or CST 26*4.8" fat tire as option; Pedal: Wellgo alloy mountain style pedals. front / rear fenders / rack and front headlight, rear tail light included.

Does anyone have experience with these bikes in these applications? Any input much appreciated!

I am 190 lb 6' tall. I did a fair amount of bicycling in my youth before moving to dirtbikes and atvs. Locally, there is no where to ride motorized offroad...hence the transition back to bikes, but the prospect of electric motor to boost the performance sounds exciting. And anyway with first born child newly arrived, I like the idea of being able to do some family biking. This would be my first e-bike.
 

Ravi Kempaiah

Well-Known Member
Hi,

New to the forum here.

I am in market for full suspension fat bike with as much power as possible to handle soft sand beaches near me and some trail riding. I was considering the juggernaut ultra fs as well. I am looking for the highest performance bike for the money. The Frey components are: Motor: Bafang Ultra G510.1000 48V 1000W mid motor system. Battery: 48V/21Ah powered by 78pcs 3500mA 18650 cells; Front fork: RST Renegade air suspension front fork for fat bike with thru axle 150*15mm; Handlebar & Stem: Promax brand alloy mountain style. Seat post: Promax brand alloy. Saddle: SR comfortable saddle; Brakes: TEKTRO HD E725 4-piston Hydraulic, front/rear 203mm discs. Transmission: Shimano DEORE M6000 10 speed gears. 11-42T cassette; Tire: KENDA 26*4.5” fat tire or CST 26*4.8" fat tire as option; Pedal: Wellgo alloy mountain style pedals. front / rear fenders / rack and front headlight, rear tail light included.

Does anyone have experience with these bikes in these applications? Any input much appreciated!

I am 190 lb 6' tall. I did a fair amount of bicycling in my youth before moving to dirtbikes and atvs. Locally, there is no where to ride motorized offroad...hence the transition back to bikes, but the prospect of electric motor to boost the performance sounds exciting. And anyway with first born child newly arrived, I like the idea of being able to do some family biking. This would be my first e-bike.
https://www.endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=91035&sid=35c11ff5a9b2968173674511ece94bb2
 

scordato

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WalkinTarget

Active Member
Helluva ride ! I was briefly contemplating the Frey1000, and what really drew me in was the VERY cheap prices floating around on Alibaba, but once you get a shipping quote on a bike, you quickly lose any and all savings that made you interested in it in the first place ! It's quite shocking what they will ding you to ship one ebike into the US. I'm not trying to talk you out of it, just read through the thread that Ravi posted and get a feel for whether you want to pursue it once you get an actual shipping quote.
 

scordato

New Member
The FF1 as spec'ed out above with ROCKSHOX MONARCH 190*51mm on rear suspension is a delivered price of about $3400, delivery fees were about 800 of this. Seems pretty steep. However, domestic bikes seem to be closer to $5000 for comparable components.

Are there any other models or options that you would suggest? Again, looking for lots of power for soft sand. Thanks for your input!!
 
Deals might or might not be out there for other top tier brands. In late winter/early spring of 2017, I paid about 600 dollars lower then that delivered price you've shown for the Frey on my Haibike Full FatSix. You can pm me regards to where I bought mine and I'd be glad to share that info with you. It seems to me on the Frey, looking at that very long thread from Endless Sphere, is that one customer had an issue with severe frame misalignment where his rear suspension triangle mates with the main bike frame. Others had had other issues with the motor or various other components. My funds for fun things are very limited and with that bike, as cool as it looks and as high powered as it is, it seems folks are kind of a rolling laboratory for what works for Frey and what does not.

The Full FatSix cannot accept anything wider than the 4.0 inch rear tire, so there is only so much traction we're going to get with it. But I can tell you, on this Yamaha PW drive, I've taken it on the deep sugar sand roads of the NJ Pine Barrens with no issues with not enough power. The name of the game is not so much suspension, but airing down the fat bikes tires allowing you to float better on that sugar sand. On the asphalt road shoulders where I do the bulk of my riding close to home, I have my Jumbo Jims pumped to 25-27 psi. In the NJ Pine Barrens, I air down to 10 psi-7 psi.

Believe I've seen Haibike closing out the 2018 hard tailed FatSix models at around 3200 or so. That one I believe has a lower spec RST front suspension fork; other than that, it's got the proven Yamaha PW drive along with the new 500wh battery, which delivers great economy.

I've racked up 6200 plus miles on my Full FatSix and honestly, the only issue I have had with her are flat tires. I went with Mr Tuffy liners and it had some flat protection, but since then have gone tubeless. Not one issue with the battery, motor, display, frame, bike components. None. I'm pretty confident that Frey and it's drive system isn't going to touch the Yamaha system for economy, reliability and longevity!

Some pics of the Full FatSix in the sugar sand Pine Barrens and elsewhere:
 

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TForan

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None. I'm pretty confident that Frey and it's drive system isn't going to touch the Yamaha system for economy, reliability and longevity!

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Maybe but it won't touch the Frey on power. Until you've ridden a Bafang Ultra powered bike, you don't realize how much grunt they have. No comparison to Bosch, Brose ,Shimano or Yamaha.
 
Maybe but it won't touch the Frey on power. Until you've ridden a Bafang Ultra powered bike, you don't realize how much grunt they have. No comparison to Bosch, Brose ,Shimano or Yamaha.
T: I have no doubt. But at 1000 or 2000 watts, it's the kind of drive that just feeds the ebike haters as they continue to work at denying us ebikers our rights as to pedaling our ebikes on any mountain bike or municipal bike path trail. Just the thought of having something like this on "their trails" sets them off into fits! :) What I'd like to see with Bafang is for this business to align itself with Bosch, Shimano, Yamaha and Brose in working Big Government here in the US into making our Ebikes legal to operate in all 50 states. I see they have a website, BafangUSADirect; which is a good start in regards to making themselves truly open for business within the US. It still remains to be seen if these folks warranty their drivetrains to the US buyer of say, a Frey bike.

Regards to it's high power capability: we're still running drivetrains on these bikes using derailleurs, cassettes and hubs built with a human being behind the pedals, not a high powered motor. Though that will evolve as we go along, I hope.
 

TForan

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T: I have no doubt. But at 1000 or 2000 watts, it's the kind of drive that just feeds the ebike haters as they continue to work at denying us ebikers our rights as to pedaling our ebikes on any mountain bike or municipal bike path trail. Just the thought of having something like this on "their trails" sets them off into fits! :) What I'd like to see with Bafang is for this business to align itself with Bosch, Shimano, Yamaha and Brose in working Big Government here in the US into making our Ebikes legal to operate in all 50 states. I see they have a website, BafangUSADirect; which is a good start in regards to making themselves truly open for business within the US. It still remains to be seen if these folks warranty their drivetrains to the US buyer of say, a Frey bike.

Regards to it's high power capability: we're still running drivetrains on these bikes using derailleurs, cassettes and hubs built with a human being behind the pedals, not a high powered motor. Though that will evolve as we go along, I hope.
Maybe on trails, but on surface streets, if you ride with the utmost courtesy and respect , you'll have little to no "hate". I go out of my way to give them all the space they need and never blow by them, just because I can. There's room for all of us.
 

bugnut

New Member
Hi,

New to the forum here.

I am in market for full suspension fat bike with as much power as possible to handle soft sand beaches near me and some trail riding. I was considering the juggernaut ultra fs as well. I am looking for the highest performance bike for the money. The Frey components are: Motor: Bafang Ultra G510.1000 48V 1000W mid motor system. Battery: 48V/21Ah powered by 78pcs 3500mA 18650 cells; Front fork: RST Renegade air suspension front fork for fat bike with thru axle 150*15mm; Handlebar & Stem: Promax brand alloy mountain style. Seat post: Promax brand alloy. Saddle: SR comfortable saddle; Brakes: TEKTRO HD E725 4-piston Hydraulic, front/rear 203mm discs. Transmission: Shimano DEORE M6000 10 speed gears. 11-42T cassette; Tire: KENDA 26*4.5” fat tire or CST 26*4.8" fat tire as option; Pedal: Wellgo alloy mountain style pedals. front / rear fenders / rack and front headlight, rear tail light included.

Does anyone have experience with these bikes in these applications? Any input much appreciated!

I am 190 lb 6' tall. I did a fair amount of bicycling in my youth before moving to dirtbikes and atvs. Locally, there is no where to ride motorized offroad...hence the transition back to bikes, but the prospect of electric motor to boost the performance sounds exciting. And anyway with first born child newly arrived, I like the idea of being able to do some family biking. This would be my first e-bike.


Hi,

New to the forum here.

I am in market for full suspension fat bike with as much power as possible to handle soft sand beaches near me and some trail riding. I was considering the juggernaut ultra fs as well. I am looking for the highest performance bike for the money. The Frey components are: Motor: Bafang Ultra G510.1000 48V 1000W mid motor system. Battery: 48V/21Ah powered by 78pcs 3500mA 18650 cells; Front fork: RST Renegade air suspension front fork for fat bike with thru axle 150*15mm; Handlebar & Stem: Promax brand alloy mountain style. Seat post: Promax brand alloy. Saddle: SR comfortable saddle; Brakes: TEKTRO HD E725 4-piston Hydraulic, front/rear 203mm discs. Transmission: Shimano DEORE M6000 10 speed gears. 11-42T cassette; Tire: KENDA 26*4.5” fat tire or CST 26*4.8" fat tire as option; Pedal: Wellgo alloy mountain style pedals. front / rear fenders / rack and front headlight, rear tail light included.

Does anyone have experience with these bikes in these applications? Any input much appreciated!

I am 190 lb 6' tall. I did a fair amount of bicycling in my youth before moving to dirtbikes and atvs. Locally, there is no where to ride motorized offroad...hence the transition back to bikes, but the prospect of electric motor to boost the performance sounds exciting. And anyway with first born child newly arrived, I like the idea of being able to do some family biking. This would be my first e-bike.


Hello Scordato,

I am about to pull the trigger on a Frey AM1000.
Ivy is working on the price as I write.
If you are interested in getting one let me know, I live on Long Island as well and we can probably work a better deal if we buy together.

Thanks
Vinny
 

scordato

New Member
Deals might or might not be out there for other top tier brands. In late winter/early spring of 2017, I paid about 600 dollars lower then that delivered price you've shown for the Frey on my Haibike Full FatSix. You can pm me regards to where I bought mine and I'd be glad to share that info with you. It seems to me on the Frey, looking at that very long thread from Endless Sphere, is that one customer had an issue with severe frame misalignment where his rear suspension triangle mates with the main bike frame. Others had had other issues with the motor or various other components. My funds for fun things are very limited and with that bike, as cool as it looks and as high powered as it is, it seems folks are kind of a rolling laboratory for what works for Frey and what does not.

The Full FatSix cannot accept anything wider than the 4.0 inch rear tire, so there is only so much traction we're going to get with it. But I can tell you, on this Yamaha PW drive, I've taken it on the deep sugar sand roads of the NJ Pine Barrens with no issues with not enough power. The name of the game is not so much suspension, but airing down the fat bikes tires allowing you to float better on that sugar sand. On the asphalt road shoulders where I do the bulk of my riding close to home, I have my Jumbo Jims pumped to 25-27 psi. In the NJ Pine Barrens, I air down to 10 psi-7 psi.

Believe I've seen Haibike closing out the 2018 hard tailed FatSix models at around 3200 or so. That one I believe has a lower spec RST front suspension fork; other than that, it's got the proven Yamaha PW drive along with the new 500wh battery, which delivers great economy.

I've racked up 6200 plus miles on my Full FatSix and honestly, the only issue I have had with her are flat tires. I went with Mr Tuffy liners and it had some flat protection, but since then have gone tubeless. Not one issue with the battery, motor, display, frame, bike components. None. I'm pretty confident that Frey and it's drive system isn't going to touch the Yamaha system for economy, reliability and longevity!

Some pics of the Full FatSix in the sugar sand Pine Barrens and elsewhere:
Looks like a sweet bike, very well put together. Yamaha makes a great product, I wish they were able to put more power in there for off road use.

What are your thoughts on the full suspension for that type of riding?

With this newer model FF1 https://wholesaler.alibaba.com/product-detail/2019-FF1-full-suspension-electric-fat_60739643526.html , they have the rear suspension mounted towards top of frame with extra swing brackets / pins to transfer energy. Any input on this type of design?

It seems over engineered and I'm not sure how it impacts the ride quality?

Thanks!
 

scordato

New Member
Hello Scordato,

I am about to pull the trigger on a Frey AM1000.
Ivy is working on the price as I write.
If you are interested in getting one let me know, I live on Long Island as well and we can probably work a better deal if we buy together.

Thanks
Vinny
Hi Vinny,

I think we could explore that option. What other models are you considering? Any thoughts on the newer model FF1? https://wholesaler.alibaba.com/product-detail/2019-FF1-full-suspension-electric-fat_60739643526.html

Thanks
 

scordato

New Member
Hi Vinny,

I think we could explore that option. What other models are you considering? Any thoughts on the newer model FF1? https://wholesaler.alibaba.com/product-detail/2019-FF1-full-suspension-electric-fat_60739643526.html

Thanks
I have been in contact with Ivy for last few weeks and she has quoted me for the one bike. They just recently changed the minimum order requirement...maybe still working out mfg kinks?

I am pretty much ready to order unless anyone is aware of better options worth considering?

Vinny, what is good way to contact you?
 

bugnut

New Member
I have been in contact with Ivy for last few weeks and she has quoted me for the one bike. They just recently changed the minimum order requirement...maybe still working out mfg kinks?

I am pretty much ready to order unless anyone is aware of better options worth considering?

Vinny, what is good way to contact you?
I

I sent you a PM with my cell number
 
Looks like a sweet bike, very well put together. Yamaha makes a great product, I wish they were able to put more power in there for off road use.

What are your thoughts on the full suspension for that type of riding?

With this newer model FF1 https://wholesaler.alibaba.com/product-detail/2019-FF1-full-suspension-electric-fat_60739643526.html , they have the rear suspension mounted towards top of frame with extra swing brackets / pins to transfer energy. Any input on this type of design?

It seems over engineered and I'm not sure how it impacts the ride quality?

Thanks!
Thanks for the kind words!

Regards to that particular kind of rear shock mounting, Specialized has been running this type of shock placement for a few years now throughout their mountain bike full suspension lineup, while Haibike uses the low mount shock placement. My only perspective is through my own Full FatSix and it works for me in the particular riding conditions I ride in (predominantly on-road, close to home, off road on the numerous miles of canal towpaths and the sugar sand roads of the NJ Pine Barrens.). I have no doubt a company like Specialized or Pivot with their Shuttle have done the hours of engineering, simulations and riding to dial in those suspension systems. Frey? I don't know....

The Yamaha motor on the Haibike is the older PW drive with 500watts output and 70 nm of torque and I honestly can say there are some steep climbs in and out of the local creek watersheds around here. I take them sitting down. I find the motor's power, the front and rear gearing and the Schwalbe Jumbo Jims to be perfect for what I do. Anything with more power is really pushing the boundaries of the Class 1 ebike standard and fwiw, there will come a point where excess power is going to just spin out the rear tires on our relatively light weight bicycles, anyway; especially in an ascent up hill.

Off roading, in sugar sand or towpath dirt and cinder, the rock shox front & rear suspension is a nice-to-have thing, but not really important to getting where you need to go. Rocky trails will be another thing where the shocks will pay off for you. In snow, sugar sand and loose dirt, tire pressures are key moreso than shocks.

On asphalt local riding, I air up to 25-27 psi on my tubeless Jumbo Jims. Sugar Sand and snow it's best to air down below 10 psi. In deep sand as what we have in the Pine Barrens, any e-mtb other than a fat tired ebike is going to have problems getting through.
 

Ravi Kempaiah

Well-Known Member
Looks like a sweet bike, very well put together. Yamaha makes a great product, I wish they were able to put more power in there for off road use.

What are your thoughts on the full suspension for that type of riding?

With this newer model FF1 https://wholesaler.alibaba.com/product-detail/2019-FF1-full-suspension-electric-fat_60739643526.html , they have the rear suspension mounted towards top of frame with extra swing brackets / pins to transfer energy. Any input on this type of design?

It seems over engineered and I'm not sure how it impacts the ride quality?

Thanks!
As Mike stated,
The rear suspension linkage and the the whole geometry is just so ... what can I say... lacks engineering and finesse. I met the folks from Frey at the Interbike 2015 show. Nice people but I really doubt if they have the engineering know-how to design a superb suspension.
In my subjective understanding, being tempted by bikes like Frey AM 11000 is like being seduced by a woman who has big breasts. Most people fall for the Bafang Ultra motor, which is a very powerful motor but everything else on that bike is mediocre. They may use Rockshox, Magura MT5 but the suspension design itself makes the capabilities of RockShox redundant.

When purchasing a bike, it is always good to look at the whole package. Is it designed in a cohesive way where all parts work in unison or they just trying to impress people with specs?

With more pivot points, welcome to the world of creaking and noises and bearing replacement!

If you were absolutely set on getting that Frey bike, get their hardtail, fat tire one. A good hardtail fat bike is always better than a poorly designed full-suspension bike.
 

scordato

New Member
As Mike stated,
The rear suspension linkage and the the whole geometry is just so ... what can I say... lacks engineering and finesse. I met the folks from Frey at the Interbike 2015 show. Nice people but I really doubt if they have the engineering know-how to design a superb suspension.
In my subjective understanding, being tempted by bikes like Frey AM 11000 is like being seduced by a woman who has big breasts. Most people fall for the Bafang Ultra motor, which is a very powerful motor but everything else on that bike is mediocre. They may use Rockshox, Magura MT5 but the suspension design itself makes the capabilities of RockShox redundant.

When purchasing a bike, it is always good to look at the whole package. Is it designed in a cohesive way where all parts work in unison or they just trying to impress people with specs?

With more pivot points, welcome to the world of creaking and noises and bearing replacement!

If you were absolutely set on getting that Frey bike, get their hardtail, fat tire one. A good hardtail fat bike is always better than a poorly designed full-suspension bike.
Hi Ravi,

Thanks for the input, what other bikes would you consider that are similar to this?

Thank you