Nope. Bosch is very weak, and it's interesting how many come in looking for Aventon Pace 350 and 500's after they've tried the more expensive Treks with Bosch on them. And they love the throttle, and no complaints about how it activated. Mostly they are just thrilled to have a throttle. And most don't mind the cadence sensing response, and those who do, aren't willing to drop another $ 1000 to get the smoother response from a much weaker motor. As always there are trade offs, and pros and cons on everything. They frequently cite the added power from The Aventon motors as most important to them. Although I have witnessed a few 70 and 80 something's prefer the Bosch and perfectly happy with slower speeds and staying on mostly flat terrain. We are also pretty flat here in Illinois.
Wow that's a lot more dough than the Aventon, eh ? . Hope you really enjoy it ! Definitely an upgrade over an Aventon. Over time I anticipate many first time ebike buyers/ riders will refine their tastes and graduate to more expensive ebikes like the Como's or Vados or Yamahas etc. They will likely find too, they didn't use or need the throttle all that much, and maybe even prefer the experience of torque sensing, and be willing like you to shell out more dough for it.
Where was this location? I want to do it!
the bosch has far more torque then then either aventon. it just sounds like people want a throttle and no really plan on riding the e bike like a bike. the quality evel between the two is night and day.
I think those bikes that use Bosch will be expected to be more refined and upscale since people pay so much for the motors! You can get away with cheaper components on a 28 mph ebike with a hub motor that has a throttle because the emphasis is the throttle and not the mechanics of user pedaling experience. Weight, rider's input, and maneuverability takes a back seat to ease of use and speed limit! As an example, the emphasis may be on providing a cushioned ride versus getting the best tires that will dictated how well a bike handles on curves, or its traction on gravel and wet surfaces!
exactly. the lowewr end bikes are geared towards causal riders. who knows if they will even keep riding them. I bet within a year there will be a ton of used bikes for sale.
The top picture was taken from Rowena Crest viewpoint in Oregon, between Mosier and The Dalles in the Columbia River Gorge. Beautiful area to ride, some spots are car free but because of I-84 in some areas you just need to ignore the traffic noise.
Nice areas to ride in the mountains!
i saw one of the Ariel Rider owners try to put 80nm of torque on a nylon Hub motor gear and the gear just shredded like butter, he even said no way these E-Bike motors are pushing the advertised torque when the components cant even handle the stress.sorry for my ignorance, but what's ICE motorcycle?
Anyways, that's my point too, torque doesn't mean anything. (or torque doesn't mean everything)
If that's the case, you can't say 50nm ebike is weaker than 150nm ebike for hill climbing and hauling things.
So, maybe as you suggested, maybe horsepower is what counts.
Simply put, 400 lb motorcycle with mere 50nm of torque is a lot faster and stronger than 60 lb ebikes with 160nm of torque.
First thought here would be that torque would be spread evenly across 3 gears.....
i had a similar thought but the guy doing the test is an engineer and im not so......
I think the question would be is how did he apply the test to make that claim. What process did he do? What was his criteria? How did he implement the test? Can others replicate his test and get the same result? I have seen many of so called claims but few have shared how they measured it! Coming in late to the game on this discussion
like i said im no engineer im a truck driver lol so who knows if he is correct or not but around 1:20 he mentions companies hyping up torque ratings, i also dont know this tool he is using and how accurate it is
