James - Thats true, but "saddle time" when your commuting, doing errands or riding for fun can vary widely. Most people just want to be comfortable regardless and a comfy saddle combines with a bit of padding that cycle shorts provide, generally cover all the bases.That's a good call Larry. I have both the racing bibs and some downhill mountain bike shorts that cover the cycling shorts underneath. There really is no substitute for saddle time though!!