Battery Cost: $1,299

Handlebars

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College textbooks are an especially bad example in reality. They've increased 10x in price in real terms since the 70s. Probably because of oligarchic consolidation and the buyer can't choose the textbook they use, it's assigned by the prof.
I know, that example is about the worst I ever heard.
It's change change change for the sake of change because their buddy has a new edition $450 book to sell. No better, not updated, just a change. Books don't need to change every year.

So..the student can go online now and get just about every textbook free. Serves the nasty hustlers right. They did it to themselves.
 
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Timpo

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I know, that example is about the worst I ever heard.
It's change change change for the sake of change because their buddy has a new edition $450 book to sell. No better, not updated, just a change. Books don't need to change every year.

So..the student can go online now and get just about every textbook free. Serves the nasty hustlers right. They did it to themselves.
ohh yeah good point, they always make new edition of textbooks.
 

tomjasz

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That's exactly what I said.
35E provided more power.

I will say it again, I had 26F packed 48V 10.4Ah Juiced battery. Then I replaced it with Eunorau 48V 14Ah (35E packed) to get more range.

But the Eunorau battery provided whole a lot more power. (Not just range, but a lot more power)
Yes, the same "48V" battery on paper, they're both 48V, but my point was, the voltage does not mean real life power.

Not all 48V pack provide power equally.

The difference was so drastic (26F vs 35E), which led me believe that there "might" be some 48V pack that are more powerful than some 52V.

What if it was 30Q packed 48V vs 26F packed 52V?
The problem was 26F with only 10Ah. So few cells in parallell with the 26F would of course suck. offering cell ID and no real specifications leaves a mystery. What was the BMS in the 26F? Sounds like Juiced really screwed customers.
 

Timpo

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The problem was 26F with only 10Ah. So few cells in parallell with the 26F would of course suck. offering cell ID and no real specifications leaves a mystery. What was the BMS in the 26F? Sounds like Juiced really screwed customers.
The Juiced 10.4Ah battery was powered by 26F 13S4P.
The Eunorau 14Ah battery was powered by 35E 13S4P.

So the number of cell was exactly the same as Eunorau.
I got Eunorau battery to get more range, but to my pleasant surprise, it gave me so much more power.

I am not sure about the spec of Juiced BMS.

However, what I can tell you is that, 48V 10.4Ah was actually the high performance version of battery.
The standard battery for Juiced CrossCurrent Air is 48V 7.8Ah, Samsung 26F, 13S3P.

You said "so few cells in parallel", but it was actually high performance version. 13S3P(standard) vs 13S4P(high performance)
So Juiced actually offered fewer cells as standard 😅
 

Timpo

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Here, when I got my Juiced CrossCurrent Air, they didn't have 21Ah option (as Juiced created their own battery casing later)
It was only 7.8Ah or 10.4Ah. (both powered by 26F cells)
So I picked the 10.4Ah option.


and yea, it was approx. $250 extra for 10.4Ah option.
somebody posted here too.
 

Asher

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They said they had no control over the pricing. ...We only communicated by email. It took a few days for them to respond to my initial email...to their sales department.

Can you post a screenshot of the conversation to confirm what you are saying? Specifically, Juiced saying they have no control over pricing. @mjorg
 
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BarryS

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I was absolutely going to buy a juiced bike. Then I dropped one of the batteries for my present bike and had to replace it (cost $399). I would be buying Juiced to get the big battery so I wouldn't have to carry a second. So, after this event I wanted to see how much a Juiced battery would cost. They cost $1,299 dollars (1/2021). A while back I priced them at $899, which I though was just a little high. But $1,299? I think that price is really, really high. I paid around $1,100 for my present 1,000 watt bike. It works really well for me. I want to give it to my wife to get her into e-bikes, and then get a new one for myself. After accidently destroying a bike battery I realize that it can happen. But in any case you may need to replace batteries over time if you are an avid rider. So, Juiced bikes are off my list. I did talk to Juiced bikes about this, explaining that cost of ownership is always a consideration on consumables such as batteries. They said they had no control over the pricing. Which makes me wonder if this is another company that is "actually" controlled by mainland China. Which l want to avoid, because I want representation here in the US. I want real, timely support (without having to send photographs). I didn't actually "talk" to Juiced bikes. We only communicated by email. It took a few days for them to respond to my initial email...to their sales department. I wonder how quickly responses would come for warranty issues...?
Inflation is already taking effect .
 

tomjasz

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The Juiced 10.4Ah battery was powered by 26F 13S4P.
The Eunorau 14Ah battery was powered by 35E 13S4P.

So the number of cell was exactly the same as Eunorau.
My bad, I didn't take the time to calc the number of cells in each pack. BUT as I wrote, additional 26F cells in parallel would not be as saggy. Of course, 35E have a substantially higher output and 900 more Mah!
Yikes!!! Juiced called 10.4Ah "extended range!? To sad to even laugh. 26F long after most abandoned the cell. Luna stopped selling 26F cell packs in 2015. Is the bike that old?
10.4Ah was actually the high performance version of battery.
No way! That's almost funny, and would be if riders hadn't been ripped off.


SAMSUNG ICR 18650 26F 5.2A 2600MAH

May, 2009

SAMSUNG INR 18650 35E 8A 3500MAH

July, 9th, 2015
 

Timpo

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My bad, I didn't take the time to calc the number of cells in each pack. BUT as I wrote, additional 26F cells in parallel would not be as saggy. Of course, 35E have a substantially higher output and 900 more Mah!
Yikes!!! Juiced called 10.4Ah "extended range!? To sad to even laugh. 26F long after most abandoned the cell. Luna stopped selling 26F cell packs in 2015. Is the bike that old?

No way! That's almost funny, and would be if riders hadn't been ripped off.


SAMSUNG ICR 18650 26F 5.2A 2600MAH

May, 2009

SAMSUNG INR 18650 35E 8A 3500MAH

July, 9th, 2015
Juiced CrossCurrent and CrossCurrent Air came out in mid (summer?) 2016, if I remember correctly.
I just checked EBR bike list and looks like Court did the review back in Septermber, 2016.

The CrossCurrent Air was cheaper version of the two.
(mechanical brakes, no fenders, no suspension fork, cheaper crank, cheaper display, etc.)

They were powered by 48V 7.8Ah 26F, however it was upgradable to 48V 10.4Ah 26F battery. That was the high performance version of the two at that time.
(However Juiced later added 21Ah, developing their own casing. In addition, they had 17.4Ah)

So right around 2017, Juiced had 4 battery options. 7.8Ah, 10.4Ah, 17.4Ah, 21Ah.

I bought my bike in 2017 (right before summer) and I don't remember higher than 10.4Ah being available.
However, I just tracked back and looks like Tora was advertising the development of higher Ah battery back in March 2017.
And in October 2017, the 17.4Ah and 21Ah was already available and Court was reviewing it on EBR.

Juiced developed their own casing, so that it will fit on the Reention Dorado 440mm casing.
I remember thinking Juiced casing was too big and too square.
 

mjorg

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Can you post a screenshot of the conversation to confirm what you are saying? Specifically, Juiced saying they have no control over pricing. @mjorg
I don't know the legalities of doing that. Don't want to get sued. If you send me your email I'll consider forwarding that email to you on your word that it goes no further. You show it to no one.
 

mjorg

Member
That's a serious diff. :) Almost forces a try, right? Any bad safety reports on Sonders? Any reports on which cells they use? Estimated range by owners?
Sonders charges just under $300 for their fender/rear rack package. Divided that's $150 each for a rear rack and fenders. That's a real high price. I use pricing issues like this and with the Juiced batteries to judge the long term intention of a company. If a company does most things fairly for customers, you might find one that will be around...for support. Don't want to buy a new e-bike every two years because companies go out of business. Or, because their parts aren't there, or their prices are ridiculously high.
 

Asher

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I don't know the legalities of doing that. Don't want to get sued. If you send me your email I'll consider forwarding that email to you on your word that it goes no further. You show it to no one.
There's nothing illegal about posting emails scrubbed of personal info, unless you signed a non disclosure agreement. It could be illegal to claim they said something when they didn't.
 

Bruce Arnold

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I know, that example is about the worst I ever heard.
It's change change change for the sake of change because their buddy has a new edition $450 book to sell. No better, not updated, just a change. Books don't need to change every year.

So..the student can go online now and get just about every textbook free. Serves the nasty hustlers right. They did it to themselves.
Y'all don't know as much about publishing as you like to think you do. Not just Handlebars, all y'all.

It's a good example of something that is high-priced, for which there are legitimate reasons. Are some textbooks high-priced for illegitimate reasons? No doubt. Not all, not by a stretch. The authors and publishers don't make as much as y'all seem to think. I've worked in print shops, and I know that the first volume of any book might cost $100,000 dollars. The next copies, only a dollar or two. But they've got to make that original investment back, and when there is a limited market for a given text, it's going to be expensive.

But hey, if you want to just dish on Juiced Bikes and not look at the realities of being in business, any business, say so. Quit pretending it's a principled stance.

Tora ain't getting rich by gouging people for batteries. He's getting rich by making bikes people want to buy. If you think Juiced Bikes products are flawed, visit a Tesla forum sometime. Or one of the other forums on EBR for that matter. Saw one just the other day about how expensive batteries were for their brand. Sorry, I don't remember the brand name. Not one I follow.

There was a time when the Juiced Bikes forum was a place to get useful information about our bikes. Yeah, there were problems. We talked about them. I remember @youth going through a lot with his original CrossCurrent.

Now it's deteriorated into people hating on JB so much of the time, instead of the knowledge sharing we used to have. I may just have to duck out. Every so often there are posts where someone has a real question or a real observation and it fills a purpose. But this thread is way too common -- someone starts with a complaint, the usual people pile on, and there's no information being exchanged. Seems like the purpose is to talk people out of buying Juiced Bikes.

@Court and @troehrkasse please take note.