Battery Cost: $1,299

vincent

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to get this back on topic

i am not an expert on rebuilding batteries but it seems you should be able to get that done by a reputable company for a good bit less in the future if you need another battery

so if it was me and i really liked that bike personally would not let that stop me from getting it

with all the ebikes out now rebuilders should keep growing/getting better and you should not need another battery for years

good luck with whatever bike you get
 

Asher

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to get this back on topic

i am not an expert on rebuilding batteries but it seems you should be able to get that done by a reputable company for a good bit less in the future if you need another battery

so if it was me and i really liked that bike personally would not let that stop me from getting it

with all the ebikes out now rebuilders should keep growing/getting better and you should not need another battery for years

good luck with whatever bike you get
I once looked into it and all I found was a Nevada company and the final price wasn't much better than what OEMs charge. Maybe $1/wh. I assume it's the same now until proven otherwise. (Lol same thing with the claim that Stromer quality ebikes are available for $2k - assume false until otherwise proven.)

Batteries are dangerous things, it's not surprising there wouldn't be many shops willing and able to replace the cells.
 

vincent

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Well I hope you’re wrong because all these electric bikes that were sold this year are going to need batteries in 4-5 years and I hope they don’t all end up in the landfill because we cannot get/rebuild batteries for them at reasonable prices
 

Handlebars

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Well I hope you’re wrong because all these electric bikes that were sold this year are going to need batteries in 4-5 years and I hope they don’t all end up in the landfill because we cannot get/rebuild batteries for them at reasonable prices
The hidden part of new greenness is not to be discussed. Thank you for your cooperation.
 

Johnny

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A $3k Stromer seems like a pretty good value, no?

Yes for that one it is a good value, especially in this pandemic. It is the new ST1 with 27.5 wheels and you can't even find a mediocre class3 mid drive for that price.

There may be a logistic issue with the batteries. Stromer 1kw battery should be around $2000.
 

Asher

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Well I hope you’re wrong because all these electric bikes that were sold this year are going to need batteries in 4-5 years and I hope they don’t all end up in the landfill because we cannot get/rebuild batteries for them at reasonable prices

I hope I'm wrong too! I just feel like i've seen so many claims from ebike hobbyists that just don't pan out when you actually scrutinize them. They tend to think that because someone somewhere fixed something once, then you too can fix it in the same way and make that your standard operating procedure.

Sorta like people saying building your own ebike is the best value... And then don't count the cost of the starter pedal bike, or the tools required or the time to acquire the know-how, or the risk of destroying the bike/parts/your workspace, or the lack of warranty and support.
 

vincent

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I looked at rebuild batteries or batteries by some of the companies that rebuild that are made for specific bikes a while back
and I honestly did not check what cells they were using

but they were the reputable rebuilders listed on here in a couple of places and they were definitely cheaper than buying stock from the original brand, not half-price but some savings
 

vincent

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I have a pedego in the shop right now that is older and the shop is concerned about the battery a little bit, I will see what they quote me on a battery and I will see what the rebuilder quotes me and post it here when we figure out what is going on with the bike etc.
 

tomjasz

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You misapprehended, maybe because of your attachments. I'm not under an illusion that publishing is not very expensive, it's that the university admin culture is sick and corrupt at this point and simply encouraging more spending, not even attempting to curb the excesses. There's absolutely no need to have most textbooks replaced as often as they are. No wonder students come out with life-crushing debt and can't think of having a family until they are well past their "best before" date.
My soil biology text book was $400! Why the fudge aren’t they available as a pdf. Much easier searching and reviewing.
 

tomjasz

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Well I hope you’re wrong because all these electric bikes that were sold this year are going to need batteries in 4-5 years and I hope they don’t all end up in the landfill because we cannot get/rebuild batteries for them at reasonable prices
A case is under $50. Personally proprietary batteries keep me away from many eBikes. I’d never have a Hailong (shark) case rebuilt . Especially a high Ah with more cells than can fit in the cell holders.
 

mjorg

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Last message on this thread. I'm researching bikes because I'm going to purchase one. I'm looking at a few brands and I am going to ask about the negative things I've discovered and heard about the brands I'm considering. This thread has been very valuable to me. I learned of a new brand in this thread that is now on highest my list of considerations (thank you). Here, I've also learned about battery cells and construction and that is valuable knowledge. So in the future you will see me asking questions about bikes that aren't positive. But it's just research. I'm an old man who only wants to make his best purchase relative to capability, quality, support AND cost of ownership. I have no bias...I don't care to have involvement with any manufacturer. My present bike is an Ecotric Seagull. Which has served me well AFTER I ironed out a serious problem with breaking spokes. I probably should report my experience here. I got this bike for $1050 after a price reduction due to threatening to return it on their 30 day trial. Rad bikes were selling for $1,699 or $1,799 at the time. Didn't know a thing about bikes. Sometimes I do research about things I purchase (as I am on this thread). Sometimes I just jump in and find out the hard way as I did with my Seagull. It was the cheapest bike I could find. The Seagull has a 1000 watt direct drive motor, which I imagine has abut 50 nm of torque. I live by mountains and so I need more low end, start up torque. With that big battery, Juiced appears to have the most low end out there in 750 watt bikes (for a reasonable price). I want the range to do long rides in the large city I live in (Phoenix) and the surrounding mountains. I was totally hooked on Juiced and was totally disappointed when I discovered the price increase on their big battery. It really became an issue after I destroyed one of my present bike's batteries. Last words on the Seagull. It's a great bike. I climbed South Mountain with it here in Phoenix when I first got it. I honestly thought that it would burn it up. With much less peddle assist than I thought I would need, I passed a few very high end road bikes...with ease. I apologized to them as I passed, "Sorry, it's an E-bike." The Seagull has a very unique frame that I really like (and don't like). Kind of something out of Star Wars, a blade that flies silently because it's direct drive. Anyway, please forgive me if I appeared to be attacking anyone. I need to watch my expenses. So it really is important information to me.
 

Handlebars

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Last message on this thread. I'm researching bikes because I'm going to purchase one. I'm looking at a few brands and I am going to ask about the negative things I've discovered and heard about the brands I'm considering. This thread has been very valuable to me. I learned of a new brand in this thread that is now on highest my list of considerations (thank you). Here, I've also learned about battery cells and construction and that is valuable knowledge. So in the future you will see me asking questions about bikes that aren't positive. But it's just research. I'm an old man who only wants to make his best purchase relative to capability, quality, support AND cost of ownership. I have no bias...I don't care to have involvement with any manufacturer. My present bike is an Ecotric Seagull. Which has served me well AFTER I ironed out a serious problem with breaking spokes. I probably should report my experience here. I got this bike for $1050 after a price reduction due to threatening to return it on their 30 day trial. Rad bikes were selling for $1,699 or $1,799 at the time. Didn't know a thing about bikes. Sometimes I do research about things I purchase (as I am on this thread). Sometimes I just jump in and find out the hard way as I did with my Seagull. It was the cheapest bike I could find. The Seagull has a 1000 watt direct drive motor, which I imagine has abut 50 nm of torque. I live by mountains and so I need more low end, start up torque. With that big battery, Juiced appears to have the most low end out there in 750 watt bikes (for a reasonable price). I want the range to do long rides in the large city I live in (Phoenix) and the surrounding mountains. I was totally hooked on Juiced and was totally disappointed when I discovered the price increase on their big battery. It really became an issue after I destroyed one of my present bike's batteries. Last words on the Seagull. It's a great bike. I climbed South Mountain with it here in Phoenix when I first got it. I honestly thought that it would burn it up. With much less peddle assist than I thought I would need, I passed a few very high end road bikes...with ease. I apologized to them as I passed, "Sorry, it's an E-bike." The Seagull has a very unique frame that I really like (and don't like). Kind of something out of Star Wars, a blade that flies silently because it's direct drive. Anyway, please forgive me if I appeared to be attacking anyone. I need to watch my expenses. So it really is important information to me.
How does Rize look for the bike you might want? Batteries are much more modestly priced.
 

Dunbar

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There have always been bikes that are cheaper than Juiced that lack a torque sensor. However, with my road bike background, I’ve never had the desire to buy a cadence sensing-only bike. I’m on my original 2016 Cross Current and should close out 2021 with 25k miles on it. I’ve had some issues but have always been able to sort them out myself and there are still ample parts out there for the bike which can’t be said for a lot of proprietary big bike brands 4+ years old.