Battle of the singlespeeds: Enki Cycles Miller, Desiknio Urban or Ampler Curt?

Thomas Jaszewski

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They must be good motors for sure. Are you currently using that motor on your ride?
No. But for no good reason. Perfect 2WD motors. They tolerate over voting and are very reliable. Tons of threads on endless_sphere going back a dozen years regarding their reliability and performance.
 

Teebund

Member
I am ready to place my order, however, the only thing holding me back is the 20 kmh speed limit... only 12.5 mph!
Does anyone make a speed limit hack for the Bafang mid-drive? I have the BadAssBox on all of my other rides. ;)

Enki Cycles Miller
SPECIFICATIONS


FRAME MATERIAL: Aluminium 6061
CHAINSET: Gates Carbon belt drive
DRIVE OPTIONS: Single Speed or Nexus 3 Speed IGH
FRONT BRAKE:
Hydraulic disc
REAR BRAKE: Hydraulic disc
RIMS: 700c
MOTOR: Bafang M500 250W torque sensing mid-drive
TORQUE: 95nM
VOLTAGE SYSTEM: 36V
BATTERY: 7Ah Samsung lithium-ion, 18650 cells
ASSIST: 5 power levels. PAS only.
USB PORT: 5V
TIRES: WTB 37C Riddler
SADDLE: Selle Royal
PEDAL: Wellgo
DISPLAY: Bafang
RANGE/SPEED:
44 mile (70km) range* / 20kmh
WEIGHT:
15.5kg / 34.2lbs (M/SS)

*Range tests performed on various urban street circuits ranging from 5km to 32km,
PAS 3, 68kg / 150lbs rider weight, various weather conditions - to simulate real-world scenarios.
Looks like it was a typo that they've fixed on both their website and kickstarter. 25km/h:

I've read somewhere you can hack the cadence sensor to remove the limit pretty easy with a magnet.

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Teebund

Member
Just found the EBR summary of the Desiknio... 20 mph limit/Single Speed.


Summary

  • A sleek, quiet, incredibly lightweight, single speed electric bike, made in three frame sizes and four colors with hydraulic disc brakes, very limited quantity
  • Smooth welds, internally routed cabling, completely hidden battery pack, and compact hub motor make this e-bike super stealthy, it blends in
  • High attention to detail, the motor cable is tucked in and well protected, all of the components match in black, the rims and tires are upgraded
  • Super responsive 20 magnet cadence sensor, reliable belt drive, minimalist control interface but there's a smartphone app, smaller battery and motor, battery is not removable for separate charging
It's interesting that the Enky has torque and cadence sensing and the Desiknio has cadence but no torque sensing. Does anyone know which is better on bikes like this?
 

Teebund

Member
Just found the EBR summary of the Desiknio... 20 mph limit/Single Speed.


Summary

  • A sleek, quiet, incredibly lightweight, single speed electric bike, made in three frame sizes and four colors with hydraulic disc brakes, very limited quantity
  • Smooth welds, internally routed cabling, completely hidden battery pack, and compact hub motor make this e-bike super stealthy, it blends in
  • High attention to detail, the motor cable is tucked in and well protected, all of the components match in black, the rims and tires are upgraded
  • Super responsive 20 magnet cadence sensor, reliable belt drive, minimalist control interface but there's a smartphone app, smaller battery and motor, battery is not removable for separate charging
The 20mph sounds amzing! But with a Single Speed with that gearing, won't you spin out before it reaches that top speed? Or at the very least, you would be pedelling at 90-100 rpm - which isn't so relaxing! :oops:
 

FlatSix911

Well-Known Member
Looks like it was a typo that they've fixed on both their website and kickstarter. 25km/h:

I've read somewhere you can hack the cadence sensor to remove the limit pretty easy with a magnet.

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Thanks for the corrected 25km/h specs. I also found a speed box for Bafang mid drives... 50km/h maximum :)


 

Teebund

Member
Thanks for the corrected 25km/h specs. I also found a speed box for Bafang mid drives... 50km/h maximum :)


that's nuts! and cheap! seriously, I'm giddy with excitement! Lucky I'm getting the 3 speed 🤣
 

bob armani

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Thanks bob. I'm very happy with my decision. Thanks for the confidence.
Teebund my bad. FlatSix911 has just stated that the equipped Bafang motor only has a limit of 12.5mph!?! That seems like you are not getting the full potential of the motor at that speed. I would feel like I was at crawling speed at that. If that is the case, I regretfully would have to abstain my vote for this bike. It really surprises me that Bafang would make a motor that is geared/setup to be so slow IMO. I just don't get it (if in fact these specs are accurate). Sorry dude! :rolleyes:

Edit: Even at the corrected 25kph, I still struggle with this speed. I would need a minimum of 20mph from this motor. But that is just me. Good Luck!
 
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Teebund

Member
Teebund my bad. FlatSix911 has just stated that the equipped Bafang motor only has a limit of 12.5mph!?! That seems like you are not getting the full potential of the motor at that speed. I would feel like I was at crawling speed at that. If that is the case, I regretfully would have to abstain my vote for this bike. It really surprises me that Bafang would make a motor that is geared/setup to be so slow IMO. I just don't get it (if in fact these specs are accurate). Sorry dude! :rolleyes:
On their kickstarter page they have just released another version with the higher spec M600 and have removed the speed restriction! Apparently that beast has 120Nm of torque and with the 3sp IGH you should be able to achieve insane speeds!!

Is this crazy or what?? Does that mean 40mph would be achievable in the top gear?

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bob armani

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On their kickstarter page they have just released another version with the higher spec M600 and have removed the speed restriction! Apparently that beast has 120Nm of torque and with the 3sp IGH you should be able to achieve insane speeds!!

Is this crazy or what?? Does that mean 40mph would be achievable in the top gear?

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Thanks for the update! That is crazy, but that is exactly what I would be looking for if this is an option. Now this is looking warm and fuzzy to me again! :p
 

Teebund

Member
Thanks for the corrected 25km/h specs. I also found a speed box for Bafang mid drives... 50km/h maximum :)


That speedbox is 138EUROS and now Enke have released their unrestricted version for an extra $150USD. That M600 I'm seriously considering it!
 

bob armani

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That speedbox is 138EUROS and now Enke have released their unrestricted version for an extra $150USD. That M600 I'm seriously considering it!
Oh yeah, that is a no brainer for only $150US for all that extra power. My understanding is the Bafang can really put out speed and Nm of torque! I think the M600 is @ 120Nm of torque. I have a Yamaha at 80Nm and it is crazy fast off the line. Hello FUN!
 

Teebund

Member
Oh yeah, that is a no brainer for only $150US for all that extra power. My understanding is the Bafang can really put out speed and Nm of torque! I think the M600 is @ 120Nm of torque. I have a Yamaha at 80Nm and it is crazy fast off the line. Hello FUN!
I just changed my pledge to the M600 version. BOOM!!! 💥
 

FlatSix911

Well-Known Member
On their kickstarter page they have just released another version with the higher spec M600 and have removed the speed restriction! Apparently that beast has 120Nm of torque and with the 3sp IGH you should be able to achieve insane speeds!!

Is this crazy or what?? Does that mean 40mph would be achievable in the top gear?

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The M600 looks great... ;)