Brake Pads

Timpo

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I think one of the best brands out there is EBC.

I'm thinking EBC CFA493 would fit.
Looks like they have Green, Red and Gold.
Green: Organic Pad
Red: High Friction "Soft" Compound
Gold: Sintered

EBC Brakes
 
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Gionnirocket

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I buy the brand for my brakes (SRAM). Because I live in the mountains, the pads are shot at 500 miles. Would you not replace the tires or brakes on your car?
I waited to replace tires once, my son hit a building going 5 mph on ice, never again. I equate things to the cost of a lunch out with my wife and a beverage, $30-$50. To replace brake pads, not that much.
I don't think anyone is questioning whether or not to replace them. But if high quality automotive break pads cost $30 - $50 for 2 pairs... Then you can reason that bicycle pads must not cost anywhere near that amount.
I pay less than $4 for high quality pads with no name brand and then not only buy lunch, but have dessert and a glass of wine ;) YMMV

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So in my opinion, SRAM is doing just that... S_ramming it in with a label.
 
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fooferdoggie

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Metallic (sintered) pads are better for braking on long descents (better heat dissipation), and are generally far better under wet/muddy riding conditions. Their major downside is the sintered brake pads can be really noisy and produce squealing on braking.
it makes difference more on the calipers and sometimes the others on the noise level. when I had magura calipers the noise was horrific after they got wet. but on the same rotors with the XT 4 piston they make less noise then the margua with the regular pads. so its not just the pads but the hardware too
 

PedalUma

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Metallic (sintered) pads are better for braking on long descents (better heat dissipation), and are generally far better under wet/muddy riding conditions. Their major downside is the sintered brake pads can be really noisy and produce squealing on braking.
I have some nice generic multi-metallic pads that have a bronze plate on the back instead of steel to help with heat dissipation on long descents. As we get into Summer vapor lock will become more of a problem with hydraulic brakes that have not been blead with fresh fluid. Heat dissipation is important in the mountains. A splash of water can help. Thanks @Stefan Mikes for bringing up the topic.
 

Gionnirocket

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I have some nice generic multi-metallic pads that have a bronze plate on the back instead of steel to help with heat dissipation on long descents. As we get into Summer vapor lock will become more of a problem with hydraulic brakes that have not been blead with fresh fluid. Heat dissipation is important in the mountains. A splash of water can help. Thanks @Stefan Mikes for bringing up the topic.
Actually ceramic pads handle heat best with less fade and cool quicker.
Though ceramics do not have the aggressive stopping power of metallic sintered pads... they are quiet, have less rotor wear, create less dust and are more than capable for non professional use. But yes, thank you @Stefan Mikes for pointing out that going down hill causes friction heat.
 

retiredNH

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Thank you all for your thought provoking comments and leads on sources. OEM versus third party? Like so many things, it depends. We live in an area with steep hills. That's why we have the bikes we do, to handle those hills up and down. With some of these hills, a brake failure would be life threatening. So I found a source for Shimano metallic pads. Why OEM? To remove that little bit of doubt that some of has with third party sources. With supply chains in the mess that they are, who knows what is being sold by whom? What they sold last yeatr may not be what they're selling this year.
 

Gionnirocket

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Thank you all for your thought provoking comments and leads on sources. OEM versus third party? Like so many things, it depends. We live in an area with steep hills. That's why we have the bikes we do, to handle those hills up and down. With some of these hills, a brake failure would be life threatening. So I found a source for Shimano metallic pads. Why OEM? To remove that little bit of doubt that some of has with third party sources. With supply chains in the mess that they are, who knows what is being sold by whom? What they sold last yeatr may not be what they're selling this year.
Well that's what's important... that you are happy with your decision.
Nothing more frustrating than being peeled off a tree and being told... I told you so. 🙃

Curious though... Has anyone actually heard of break pad failure?
I've heard people complain about pads not lasting very long, but never catastrophic failure. And this is typical with expensive name brand pads... But then again who would bother to complain about the durability of $5 pads
Any horror stories out there?
 

AHicks

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Well that's what's important... that you are happy with your decision.
Nothing more frustrating than being peeled off a tree and being told... I told you so. 🙃

Curious though... Has anyone actually heard of break pad failure?
I've heard people complain about pads not lasting very long, but never catastrophic failure. And this is typical with expensive name brand pads... But then again who would bother to complain about the durability of $5 pads
Any horror stories out there?
I couldn't agree more. OEM vs. not is about your paranoia factor. If you're going to go to bed worrying about a sudden unavoidable brake failure (peeled off a tree) - deal with it and get something that will allow you to sleep well.

Myself, I view that scenario as pretty remote. Different strokes.....
 

fooferdoggie

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I couldn't agree more. OEM vs. not is about your paranoia factor. If you're going to go to bed worrying about a sudden unavoidable brake failure (peeled off a tree) - deal with it and get something that will allow you to sleep well.

Myself, I view that scenario as pretty remote. Different strokes.....
well you live in florida too. when your braking for 5 minutes going down a steep hill you dont want failures. you don't your brakes loosing braking effectiveness because of heat. The cost is not enough to make any budget difference anyway.
 

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Gionnirocket

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I couldn't agree more. OEM vs. not is about your paranoia factor. If you're going to go to bed worrying about a sudden unavoidable brake failure (peeled off a tree) - deal with it and get something that will allow you to sleep well.

Myself, I view that scenario as pretty remote. Different strokes.....
I think you have to be practical about your source too.. But as stated, I've never heard of a failure

well you live in florida too. when your braking for 5 minutes going down a steep hill you dont want failures. you don't your brakes loosing braking effectiveness because of heat. The cost is not enough to make any budget difference anyway.
I think choosing the right compound is more critical.
And as shown with the automotive pads... Quality pads are not expensive to produce. $45 for pads is just criminal and playing on your sense of security.
 

fooferdoggie

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Having gone to 2 LBS looking, both wanted $18 for a single pair of pads.(!?!) I got 4 pair on Ebay
for $12, & probably could have found cheaper. I´d like to sympathize, but that kind of gouging isn´t
gonna keep then in business.
well koolstop has been in buisness since 1977 so I guess your wrong on that count.
 

fooferdoggie

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I think you have to be practical about your source too.. But as stated, I've never heard of a failure


I think choosing the right compound is more critical.
And as shown with the automotive pads... Quality pads are not expensive to produce. $45 for pads is just criminal and playing on your sense of security.
of course they are not. but buying from some no name source is al ittle different. m,y brakes have saved my life several times I wont take a chance on it. just like I wont buy some cheap Chinese brake calipers. I have ridden way too long to take that chance.
 

AHicks

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well you live in florida too. when your braking for 5 minutes going down a steep hill you dont want failures. you don't your brakes loosing braking effectiveness because of heat. The cost is not enough to make any budget difference anyway.
An FYI regarding "Florida". I get most people's take on Florida, as many vacation orientated areas are just that - flat! The reason though, that I even considered an e-bike to start with was hills. Big hills. Think sand dunes that have been around long enough to have serious vegetation. Called a rolling coastal area. We hunted all over the place and finally located a place we liked, and one of the reasons we liked it was it's proximity to a 46 miles bike trail system located about 6 miles away.

So we bought it. As it turns out, hills that didn't seem like much while driving a car turned out to be much bigger than we thought when riding our bikes. 1st ride out to this major bike trail just about killed us, leaving enough energy left when we arrived to turn around and head home! As it turn out, our new house was located right smack in the middle of a large area rolling hills, with no way to get out other than to ride over them. Super disappointed, we had pretty much decided there would be no bike riding in Florida.

Until somebody mentioned the potential of an e-bike. The rest is history.

Point being, there ARE hills in Florida.....
 

Gionnirocket

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of course they are not. but buying from some no name source is al ittle different. m,y brakes have saved my life several times I wont take a chance on it. just like I wont buy some cheap Chinese brake calipers. I have ridden way too long to take that chance.
Well the link I provided I'm not sure if I would consider no name. Judging from what they sell and reviews they are in the business.
The pads I received from them are of very good quality.
Obviously you are free to do as you like. And I too would like to support manufacturers... But when they charge 10x the price, I say.. Have a nice day.
 

john peck

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well koolstop has been in buisness since 1977 so I guess your wrong on that count.
Just adjusted my brakes & checked the pads after 500 mi. No visible wear on my $3 a pair pads,
still stop me just fine, thx. Name brands are way over rated. Did you pay $45 for Kool stop, cuz
that´s what the LBS wanted $18 for?
 
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