Class 3 is legal in many states and unlimited is legal on private and approved trails

Solarcabin

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USA
These are the laws in my and many states:

"Class 3 eBikes are typically allowed on roads and on-road bike lanes (“curb to curb” infrastructure), but restricted from bike trails and multiuse paths."

"Class 3 Ebikes

Is an electrically assisted pedelec that has a speedometer and can offer motor power up to 28 mph—making Class 3 the fastest of US eBikes that don't fall into the motorcycle category.'

Just look at all the states that allow class 3 ebikes that those elitists said were not ebikes because they go more than 20mph

ELECTRIC BIKE LAWS BY STATE​




Legal motor size:
"Six states specifically allow eBikes to have a max power of 1000W; these are Georgia, Kansas, Minnesota, Oklahoma, Oregon, and Virginia. Only two states, Florida Mississippi, currently have no max power limit for electric bikes. High-powered eBike motors are available, ranging from 1000W-6000W."

Note: Where I live we have lots of BLM, state and county land designated for off road vehicles, dirt bikes, ATVs and ebikes that have no speed limits so know your state and where you can ride unlimited but they do require safety gear, helmets and in some cases flagging.
 

Roamers

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USA
Just look at all the states that allow class 3 ebikes that those elitists said were not ebikes because they go more than 20mph
Are you sure the better informed weren't talking about throttle only over 20 mph falling out of ebike definition?
 

Solarcabin

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Are you sure the better informed weren't talking about throttle only over 20 mph falling out of ebike definition?


The laws are right there. If you don't understand throttle and pedal assist feel free to start a post on EBR.
 

Djangodog

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USA
City
Claremont, NH
To put things into context, these are Solarcabin’s own words. He seems very confused and combative. He seems to think that it is ok for him to ride at 35 mph on public roads by use of a throttle unless a cop sees him, but he rides legally, (in his own mind), and the rest of us fail to understand the laws as he does.

“For a long while I was ghost pedaling but after testing the Ariel X ebike and seeing I got the same range and speed whether I pedaled or used throttle I have pretty much stopped peddling unless a I see a cop and don't want to get questioned about how I am doing 35mph.”
 
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Solarcabin

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To put thing into context, these are Solarcabin’s own words. He seems very confused and combative. He seems to think that it is ok for him to ride at 35 mph on public roads by use of a throttle.

“For a long while I was ghost pedaling but after testing the Ariel X ebike and seeing I got the same range and speed whether I pedaled or used throttle I have pretty much stopped peddling unless a I see a cop and don't want to get questioned about how I am doing 35mph.”
The entire quote by me in this post:

I recently posted that I was looking for solutions to get more pedal resistance at higher speeds and most people on EBR were helpful but a few elitists joined in and claimed if you are riding over 20mph you are not riding an ebike and it is a moped. By the way I live out in the country surrounded by BLM land, dirt roads and off road trails where there are no city speed limits and when I ride in the city I follow the ebike speed laws.

“For a long while I was ghost pedaling but after testing the Ariel X ebike and seeing I got the same range and speed whether I pedaled or used throttle I have pretty much stopped peddling unless a I see a cop and don't want to get questioned about how I am doing 35mph.

Now it is basically a moped or motorcycle that doesn't require gas, license or insurance but I am also not getting any exercise unless I want to go slow as hell.

That could be a problem for an old fat guy like me!

I wish there was a way to set the ebike settings to just the amount of pedal resistance you want to get some exercise but still ride at full speed.

Is there an ebike like that and if not maybe someone should design one?

Your thoughts?”


If you can't understand that saying "basically" is not referring to a legal term and my complaint was when I was "pedaling" which means i
it was legally rode at those speeds I was not getting the resistance and exercise I wanted when riding.

Turns out you also don't know anything about ebkes and as I posted the real ebike riders helped with suggesting a main crank change.

Look karen, you got caught straight not knowing that class 3 ebikes up to 28mph are legal in many states. Then you tried moving the goal posts to motor size and you got caught again not knowing states allow larger motors and then you claimed they couldn't be sold in the US and had to be shown they are legal to sell in the US and you just didn't understand that they are programmed by the user for their state laws.

"Personally, I couldn’t care less what you do as long as it doesn’t affect anyone else"

Then that is where you should have stopped instead of making excuses for trying to tell other people what an ebike is.

Like I said- the elitist clique on here are trying to enforce their opinions of what an ebike is and that is driving away members from EBR and something EBR should look in to.

Get on your 20mph high horse and ride on!

Now putting you on ignore as you are obviously trolling.
 

Solarcabin

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Region
USA
Class 3 is pedal assist, no stand alone throttle allowed.
So your ebike has no throttle or you absolutely never use it?

Does your ebike have a throttle and do you use it crossing an intersection, getting moving on a hill or just when you feel like coasting?

If so then by your standard that makes you a criminal!
 

Djangodog

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Region
USA
City
Claremont, NH
The entire quote by me in this post:

I recently posted that I was looking for solutions to get more pedal resistance at higher speeds and most people on EBR were helpful but a few elitists joined in and claimed if you are riding over 20mph you are not riding an ebike and it is a moped. By the way I live out in the country surrounded by BLM land, dirt roads and off road trails where there are no city speed limits and when I ride in the city I follow the ebike speed laws.

“For a long while I was ghost pedaling but after testing the Ariel X ebike and seeing I got the same range and speed whether I pedaled or used throttle I have pretty much stopped peddling unless a I see a cop and don't want to get questioned about how I am doing 35mph.

Now it is basically a moped or motorcycle that doesn't require gas, license or insurance but I am also not getting any exercise unless I want to go slow as hell.

That could be a problem for an old fat guy like me!

I wish there was a way to set the ebike settings to just the amount of pedal resistance you want to get some exercise but still ride at full speed.

Is there an ebike like that and if not maybe someone should design one?

Your thoughts?”


If you can't understand that saying "basically" is not referring to a legal term and my complaint was when I was "pedaling" which means i
it was legally rode at those speeds I was not getting the resistance and exercise I wanted when riding.

Turns out you also don't know anything about ebkes and as I posted the real ebike riders helped with suggesting a main crank change.

Look karen, you got caught straight not knowing that class 3 ebikes up to 28mph are legal in many states. Then you tried moving the goal posts to motor size and you got caught again not knowing states allow larger motors and then you claimed they couldn't be sold in the US and had to be shown they are legal to sell in the US and you just didn't understand that they are programmed by the user for their state laws.

"Personally, I couldn’t care less what you do as long as it doesn’t affect anyone else"

Then that is where you should have stopped instead of making excuses for trying to tell other people what an ebike is.

Like I said- the elitist clique on here are trying to enforce their opinions of what an ebike is and that is driving away members from EBR and something EBR should look in to.

Get on your 20mph high horse and ride on!

Now putting you on ignore as you are obviously trolling.
That‘s fine. I will still see what you post and still respond without you responding, win win.

Somehow, you cannot understand that your bike being ridden on public streets is not supposed to go 35 mph by pedal assist or throttle. If you want to go 35 mph, it has to be all you.

You are clearly the one that fails to understand the laws and regulations. You seem to think that you are special. You are not.
 

Roamers

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USA
So your ebike has no throttle or you absolutely never use it?

Does your ebike have a throttle and do you use it crossing an intersection, getting moving on a hill or just when you feel like coasting?

If so then by your standard that makes you a criminal!
My ebike does not have a throttle. It is a Class 1 ebike.
 

Solarcabin

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USA
My ebike does not have a throttle. It is a Class 1 ebike.
Well then let me help you because the law applying to throttle is for using "stand alone" throttle which means you are not pedaling at all and just riding the throttle. It does not apply to never using the throttle in those situations I explained like getting across a busy intersection, getting started on a hill or if you just need to coast at legal speed for a short time. Pedal bikes also can coast at much higher speeds on a hill and they are still bikes.
 

Roamers

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USA
Last post.

It should be considered that the based on all the postings that are counter what you post that you are misinterpreting the regulations. Regulations for ebikes are based on a 3 class system (no comment on if that is good or bad). Class 2 is the only one that allows stand alone throttle use and limits the powered speed to 20 mph.

I have read no one saying it is illegal to ride an ebike over 20 mph for class 1 or 2, or 28 mph for class 3; but assist must stop over those speed levels to be considered a Class 1, 2 or 3 ebike. If I wanted, I could pedal my Class 1 Gazelle down a slope at well over 20 mph, but the motor would not be offering any assistence.

Yes, different states have different laws that define allowed usage, but I see no evidence that there are different definitions for Class 1, 2, or 3.

Have fun riding your (unclassified ebike) motorcycle with pedals as fast as you want off of multi-use paths. Be safe.
 

Solarcabin

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USA
Last post.

Sorry bud, but you don't get to decide the laws for ebikes based on your opinion. The laws for each state are right there and you don't understand that class 3 is perfectly legal in many states including mine and stand alone throttle does not mean you can never use throttle as you have obviously misunderstood. Some ebikes can do up to 28 mph (or more on the Ariel X) in pedal assist with no throttle at all.

By your standards any ebike with a throttle would be illegal. Sounds like what you class 1 ebike riders want but that isn't the law and you need to share those bike paths our tax money is also paying for.


ELECTRIC BIKE LAWS BY STATE​

⚡ Electric Bike Laws by State [2022 Update]

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Solarcabin

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Errors not accurate.
Considering most people here ride ebikes that can go faster than 20 mph and have a throttle it is pretty obvious you are in the minority.

Read the laws. You and your buddies are wrong. End of story.
 

goducks21

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USA
Sorry bud, but you don't get to decide the laws for ebikes based on your opinion. The laws for each state are right there and you don't understand that class 3 is perfectly legal in many states including mine and stand alone throttle does not mean you can never use throttle as you have obviously misunderstood. Some ebikes can do up to 28 mph (or more on the Ariel X) in pedal assist with no throttle at all.

By your standards any ebike with a throttle would be illegal. Sounds like what you class 1 ebike riders want but that isn't the law and you need to share those bike paths our tax money is also paying for.


ELECTRIC BIKE LAWS BY STATE​

⚡ Electric Bike Laws by State [2022 Update]

Most accurate and comprehensive list of electric bike laws.
ebikesx.com
The state laws are fine until the BLM is involved. Ebikes are classified differently by each. Just because a state says it's okay to ride on trails doesn't mean you can ride on all trails. If the trail in on BLM land then ebikes are not allowed on the trail.
Too many variables to make any of it cut and dried.
 

Solarcabin

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USA
The state laws are fine until the BLM is involved. Ebikes are classified differently by each. Just because a state says it's okay to ride on trails doesn't mean you can ride on all trails. If the trail in on BLM land then ebikes are not allowed on the trail.
Too many variables to make any of it cut and dried.
BLM here has designated atv and dune buggy trails and recreation areas that are also for ebikes and there is no speed limits.
 

goducks21

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USA
BLM here has designated atv and dune buggy trails and recreation areas that are also for ebikes and there is no speed limits.
True but the trails for biking or hiking that are posted with No Motor Vehicles Allowed signs are not Ebike approved. BLM classifies Ebikes as motor vehicles whereas here in Oregon Ebikes are classified as bikes. I'm not really into mixing it up with ATV's and dune buggies on trails with my Ebike.
 

Solarcabin

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USA
True but the trails for biking or hiking that are posted with No Motor Vehicles Allowed signs are not Ebike approved. BLM classifies Ebikes as motor vehicles whereas here in Oregon Ebikes are classified as bikes. I'm not really into mixing it up with ATV's and dune buggies on trails with my Ebike.
My ebike goes faster than most atvs on the trails or can go class 1, 2 or 3 in the city. That is why I chose it.