Cost-Benefit Comparison: Grace One.15 Electric Bicycle vs. Honda PCX Gas Powered Scooter

Mike leroy

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On my last run to my local store for groceries, I spoke with a former eBike owner. He is very fit. The eBike only helped for short, 2 mile trips, not commutes over 5 miles. He felt A 10kW Honda PCX 150cc scooter is most appropriate for suburban hills in the 10% to 15% grade range, over longer distances. The Honda PCX is highway worthy and sells under $4000.

Whatever eBike I buy has to be competitive with the PCX150. I am willing to bias my decision highly against gas. I just hate the idea of burning gas. It is like smoking tobacco. The only eBike that I consider competitive is the 2kW Grace One.15, due out in Sept 2015.

The One.15 weighs 31kg (2kW) = 15.5 Watts per kilo. The PCX weighs 126kg (10kW) = 12.6 W/kg.

My bias is clearly in favor of bicycles. So, we are off to a great start, the One.15 is about 20% more powerful, without adding human pedalling power. I like this comparison from the get-go!

The lower end, Honda Ruckus sells for $2800 and gets 114mpg! The Honda PCX is three times more powerful than the Ruckus and 33% heavier. I will focus on the PCX150, because it has a higher power-to-weight ratio.

What is wrong with this picture? A decent Euro bike costs about $4000. The conclusion most people reach is the ebikes are unbelievably overpriced.

Sooner or later a big Japanese company will start importing quality, Chinese eBikes at a reasonable, competitive cost, ala Sondors eabike model. Once the Honda, Yahama, whoever, sticks their label on an Asian bike, they will start selling in much higher volumes.


Tbis is a WIP. These comparions require a significant amount of research, so I can only fill in the details in a piecemeal fashion.
 
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Mike leroy

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a 10kW Honda PCX scooter is very appropriate for suburban hills in the 10% to 15% grade.

The Honda PCX150 is one of the most versatile, practical and sensible scooters on the planet, and a blast to ride!. The PCX150 has a new look for 2015, offers great fuel efficiency with plenty of room to carry a passenger. A bigger fuel tank this year adds even more range, while dual headlights and sharp new bodywork change up the look. Integrated storage for those trips to the market? Of course. Automatic transmission? Naturally.

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    Power To The People.
    With its 150cc liquid-cooled four-stroke engine, the PCX150 is great for urban commutes, trips around town, and is freeway-legal, should you need to head onto the highway.

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    More Fuel Range.
    How far can you go on a tank of gas? With a PCX150, even further this year. With its great fuel efficiency rating and a bigger gas tank in 2015, the PCX150 makes even more sense.

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    New Lights, New Look.
    New dual front LED headlights along with new bodywork really make the PCX150 stand out. Who says practical can’t also be stylish?

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  • 2015
PCX150
STARTING AT $3,449*



+ DESTINATION CHARGE: $310.00

 
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Mike leroy

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Do you think the Grace One.15 is performant with the 10kW honda PCX ?

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The new benchmark.
The Grace ONE.15, with stunning technology and perfect design, moves up a level to a new dimension of riding pleasure: purism in perfection. Powered by a performance that sets new standards for an E-bike and gets the adrenaline pumping.


The Grace One.15 is scheduled for Sept. 2015. Check out these specs:
gearbox: Pinion P1.9 (crank only, no cassette needed)
Weight ca. 31 kg
Battery 15,6 Ah / 718 Wh (Range Extender: 23,4 Ah / 1076 Wh)
Torque 55 Nm
Support Levels 3 Modi Eco, City, Sport
Controller Electrical System by Eltronic AG
Fork Grace Rigid Fork, Rock Shox Domain RC
Shifting system Pinion P1.9
Engine 2000 W Ultra Motor
Drive Gates Carbon Drive
Braking system Magura MT 4
Tires Schwalbe Crazy Bob 26″
Front light Grace developed Light System/front light LUMOTEC IQ Cyo E
Back light LED Backlight
Options carrier set
Range max. 60 km* (Range extender: 90 km*)
Recommended sales price 4.999 €
 
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jhonmax12

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On my last run to my local store for groceries, I spoke with a former eBike owner. He is very fit. The eBike only helped for short, 2 mile trips, not commutes over 5 miles. He felt A 10kW Honda PCX 150cc scooter is most appropriate for suburban hills in the 10% to 15% grade range, over longer distances. The Honda PCX is highway worthy and sells under $4000.

Whatever eBike I buy has to be competitive with the PCX150. I am willing to bias my decision highly against gas. I just hate the idea of burning gas. It is like smoking tobacco. The only eBike that I consider competitive is the 2kW Grace One.15, due out in Sept 2015.

The One.15 weighs 31kg (2kW) = 15.5 Watts per kilo. The PCX weighs 126kg (10kW) = 12.6 W/kg.

My bias is clearly in favor of bicycles. So, we are off to a great start, the One.15 is about 20% more powerful, without adding human pedalling power. I like this comparison from the get-go!

The lower end, Honda Ruckus sells for $2800 and gets 114mpg! The Honda PCX is three times more powerful than the Ruckus and 33% heavier. I will focus on the PCX150, because it has a higher power-to-weight ratio.

What is wrong with this picture? A decent Euro bike costs about $4000. The conclusion most people reach is the ebikes are unbelievably overpriced.

Sooner or later a big Japanese company will start importing quality, Chinese eBikes at a reasonable, competitive cost, ala Sondors eabike model. Once the Honda, Yahama, whoever, sticks their label on an Asian bike, they will start selling in much higher volumes.


Tbis is a WIP. These comparions require a significant amount of research, so I can only fill in the details in a piecemeal fashion.
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