E-Bike hatred is out there!

Cramer Long

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USA
Minimum wage in Washington State was $2.00/hr back when I was selling movie tickets in 1974. Tipped wages were about $1.85. That's why I call it backward. Half a century.

Naturally, for Californians, it's like moving to a third world country, in terms of how far their money goes. With all those Californians moving in with their silicon wages, your housing market will become more and more difficult for local earners, too, and you will enjoy the benefits of yet more economic inequalities.
Yet I managed to buy my first home in 1978 making $1.65 and hour and my wife the same . My Father died when I was 16 . At 17 my brother and myself moved out because my Mother couldn't afford it . Did I mention I also paid my way thru 4 years of college at the same time I bought a Home . That home cost me $21,000. The last 2 generations are still living home in Mom's basement where I was moving into my second home by that time . Still not making a whole lot more an hour . But we worked hard . And saved . Then finally it paid off . My wages doubled in one year.
There's no Economic inequalities . The 2 states you use in your example are run by Who ?
 

PatriciaK

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USA
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Pacific Northwest and Piedmont Triad
I'd argue that the attraction is that they feel like they are going from a third world country in California where they have open defecation in some areas to cleaner Texan suburbs where for the price of a run down dilapidated trailer mobile home in California they can get a larger property and house of higher build quality and amenities. One of the differences too in Texas is that as the population increases they have this revolutionary means of adapting by, get this, building more housing. In California they create artificial housing bubble prices by making it so difficult to build more homes and apartments, abusing "green" regulations.
Just remember that all those California "refugees" you're crowing about are going to want the same level of government services and same culture they enjoyed in California. Taxes in Texas are going to increase because of them. The price of housing is going to increase because of them. The education system and the health care system are going to change because of them. Your gun laws are going to change because of them. And, most importantly, the political control of the state is going to change because of them. You're happy now, but just wait ...
 

JASmith

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USA
Just remember that all those California "refugees" you're crowing about are going to want the same level of government services and same culture they enjoyed in California. Taxes in Texas are going to increase because of them. The price of housing is going to increase because of them. The education system and the health care system are going to change because of them. Your gun laws are going to change because of them. And, most importantly, the political control of the state is going to change because of them. You're happy now, but just wait ...
I only said that I understand why they are moving, not that I love it, lol! Warning heeded about the concern once they reach "critical mass", but not much I can do about it other than to talk some sense and like you say remind them not to try and replicate what they fled from. Speaking of, I think many understand what they are leaving though, as I met a couple just before COVID at the grocery store that were yacking my ear off. I was helping an elderly man with one of those massive water cooler jugs they keep at the front of the store since the baggers were all busy, and they had just moved here and commented about how much more helpful people were in the area as they had seen a lot of what they apparently don't get back home in LA in just the few months they were here. If it gets bad, we're looking to move up to North Carolina to a more rural area by some relatives once we can anyway.
 

chunk

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USA
Just for the record, a lot of people like living in California, me for one. I won't be moving anytime soon. I like the all year MC (and e-bike) riding the weather allows me and also my proximity to the Pacific ocean, the SoCal high desert, and the Sierras, all within a few hours of each other. I also like the multi cultural diversity here as well as the politics in this state. If you like it here, stay, if you don't, leave, or if you want to move here, I say welcome. It stands to reason that in a country as big and diverse as the US one should be able to find their place without impugning others choices.
 
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Cramer Long

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USA
Just for the record, a lot of people like living in California, me for one. I won't be moving anytime soon. I like the all year MC (and e-bike) riding the weather allows me and also my proximity to the Pacific ocean, the SoCal high desert, and the Sierras, all within a few hours of each other. I also like the multi cultural diversity here as well as the politics in this state. If you like here, stay, if you don't, leave, or if you want to move here, I say welcome. It stands to reason that in a country as big and diverse as the US one should be able to find their place without impugning others choices.
I thought I read your Governor had been re-called . Like isn't Catlynn and some black guy going to run for his position ? It's next to impossible to recall a public Servant . They must have had many people want him gone to get that done. I know he's been relentless on keeping things locked up until recent .
 

rawlus

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Region
USA
many ppl misunderstand min wage. min wage for servers and other tipped employees is essentially the same or higher than the regular min wage because if tipped employees do not make enough in tips to cover the difference between the non-tipped mon wage and the tipped min wage then the employer has to make up the difference.

So for most servers snd other tipped employees they will usually average a real wage higher than the minimum and not a wage lower than the non-tipped minimum.

in MA those wages are currently:
$13.50 (going to $15.00 jan 2023) for non tipped employees

$5.55 (going up to $6.75 jan 2023) for tipped. if tips do not raise their avg income to $13.50/hr employer may cover diff.
 

PatriciaK

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Region
USA
City
Pacific Northwest and Piedmont Triad
I only said that I understand why they are moving, not that I love it, lol! Warning heeded about the concern once they reach "critical mass", but not much I can do about it other than to talk some sense and like you say remind them not to try and replicate what they fled from. Speaking of, I think many understand what they are leaving though, as I met a couple just before COVID at the grocery store that were yacking my ear off. I was helping an elderly man with one of those massive water cooler jugs they keep at the front of the store since the baggers were all busy, and they had just moved here and commented about how much more helpful people were in the area as they had seen a lot of what they apparently don't get back home in LA in just the few months they were here. If it gets bad, we're looking to move up to North Carolina to a more rural area by some relatives once we can anyway.
We live part time in NC so we can spend time with the grandkids, but would never consider becoming residents there. We'll stick with western WA - I don't think I could make it through a summer in NC 🔥🔥🔥!
 

Merle Nelson

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Region
USA
I have been riding E-bikes for the last six plus years and just had my first experience with a hater. Yesterday i went cycling on the D &L Trail with three friends on regular bikes. We had a shuttle from Jim Thorpe to White Haven reserved and paid for with Pocono Bike Rentals owned by Tom Williams. He pulled up with the van and trailer which already had at least six rental bikes laying all over the trailer in a disarray. Two other girls were also waiting but never made reservations in advance so the driver was already annoyed by the cancelation and the new people that hadn't paid in advance. After getting the trailer in order, he started to load our bikes and when he saw my Turbo Levo went into a rant about those awful e-bikes! First of all he was mad they were not made aware this bike was being shuttled and it was $5 more, not because it was a problem, but because he hates them. He went on and on about how people are running all over the trail out of control going 23 mph crashing into everybody and how the state should not allow them on any trails. I tried to explain to him how it is pedal assist only and it only goes as fast as I pedal. I also made it clear that the majority of people riding electric bikes very well, like myself, are doing so due to medical issues. He said I shouldn't waste my time discussing this with him. He hates them. End of story.
I gave him the extra $5 for his trouble which he took and thanked me. When we got to our destination and were ready to depart, he came to me and returned the money. Sorry, too late.
I am posting this to make other e-bike riders aware of the poor service I received from this business and recommend looking for a different shuttle service if you are interested in doing one of these trips.
Sadly, I let this ruin the rest of the day for me.

I'm late to the party but I appreciate knowing about this person's business practices. Then I could follow other posts here about how to enjoy the area without using this business.