Good to hear from you AHicks. You are one of the voices I listen to intently here on EBR. Yes I do not have throttle from dead stop. As to PAS, it kicks in almost instantly. I mount my bike in the traditional manner and just that quarter turn with mounting has the motor engaged. I am careful never to do this in any assist above eco 3. Uphill start from a stopsign? Hmmm. Maybe a problem. I refuse to ride on the street for the most part and had not thought of this. I will take the bike to my fairly steep hill hereabouts and see how it goes. I do religiously shift to a middle gear however whenever I stop. It's just automatic with me. AND I am seldom in a higher gear, let alone the highest. It would be only a panic stop for an animal or something that would leave me in the highest gear and at a dead stop. I would normally perhaps use the walk mode and the kickstand to get out of such a predicament.Reed, speaking for my jerky Ultra comments, I thought the throttle, when you first touch it to get the bike rolling, was a bit much. Since fixed (easily). The rest of the time, not experiencing anything I would call jerky either. My other issues were all related to low speed control. the kind of stuff you might run into on single track.
It would appear your bike is not able to be throttled until the bike is moving? Same story with pedal assist?
A new Frey owner is sharing that his new bike is set up the same way.
If the bike has to be moving for the throttle to work, that would explain why you aren't running into the same "a bit too much" throttle response from the start to me.
You're OK with not being able to use the throttle to get the bike rolling from a stop? Maybe an up hill start from a stop sign?
I doubt Kyle would mess with it. I had thought I would eventually get a motor from Wattwagons to replace this motor and maybe I will one day. I have a Wattwagons bike coming and after riding that bike for a while if it is really that much better I will do that. My plan was to buy the new motor form Pushkar and then swap. Then send the Frey motor in for conversion. You can't go wrong having a backup motor on the shelf.I wonder if the Archon x1 that watt wagon sells and is using as an option on their bikes could be added. Reports say it makes the ultra as refined and smooth as any mid motor available. Maybe Kyle could offer that as an option.
Ahhhh, Looking at your bike I so fondly remember how clean she was fresh out of her box. Now she's covered in nasty dust. It's horribly dry here, drought in progress ... again.Hey Reed - Fully assembled on my side. I will note that the wire bundle coming from the handlebars....there was one wire that was not connected and required it to be plugged in before the bike would power on.
I've since figured out you can tilt the back wheel off the ground with the kickstand. Initiate walk mode then tap the + button real quick and then immediately engage the throttle. This is real handy for distributing slime around the rear tire if you are dealing with a leak and don't want to go outside to run the bike itself, like when it's dark, or cold outside. And you are maybe already in your jammies.Spoke too soon. Was trying to use throttle off the kickstand just to test. No worky that way. Must be rolling/wheel spinning. ( duh ) Throttle works great. Bike is awesome. Either they've done some program refinements or the genesis of complaints on the Ultra are just beyond my ability to sense/comprehend. She pulls even and like a racehorse.
Wouldn't it be more accurate to say that both Frey and Bolton are sourcing frames from the same factory? Like the frame for Luna's X-1 is a Dengfu frame.Especially once I realized it's a Frey AM 1000.
I think it’s the second option. Search Frey on you tube. Factory tour.Wouldn't it be more accurate to say that both Frey and Bolton are sourcing frames from the same factory? Like the frame for Luna's X-1 is a Dengfu frame.
Or, does Frey really have its own frame design and factory and is selling their frames to other OEMs like Bolton?
One of those videos shows CNC machining of parts and computer aided design which Frey claims to have patents on. Certainly nobody else uses that rear suspension design with the extra vertical structure paralleling the rear wheel. Again patented. Maybe they sub out the frame cutting and welding but if they design them and control the process I don't think it can be said they are somehow not Frey manufactured bikes. Most of the parts in a Ford or Chevy are foreign imports. Sometimes ford makes their own engines. Don't know about GM. But they're still Fords and Chevys. Ultimately I guess there is no way to know the whole story regarding rebadged bikes using Frey designs. Kyle at Bolton did tell me that Frey was not controlling the delivery of his Raptor bikes (my bike) but he did not deny that they are rebadged Freys. I think Frey is legitimate in their claims a bike maker in designing and choosing the components of their bikes much like the big 4. Maybe Giant is the only real vertically integrated bike maker. Along with a few small custom makers but even they don't make the components.I did and found 2 videos with Electrek's Micah Toll. Both showed bicycle assembly only, not frame building.