Ebikeling 1200w rear wheel kit from Amazon

BigMatt

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Best grin of the day....

Better? This has “Made in China” on it too. That means it’s much more likely to be authentic!

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tomjasz

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Better? This has “Made in China” on it too. That means it’s much more likely to be authentic!

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Every bit as laughable. Given the litigious nature of our culture fraud puts me in the increased risk category with a fake label. IMNSHO Id rather run without a fake sticker. My lawyer pals would love to have this as evidence in a suit for damages where I was shown to be at fault. Sure just like the claim that it’s unlikely any LEO will check. s*it happens. I’m old school. Black and white. If I had kids I’d say I was being a bad role model. YMMV
 

BigMatt

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Every bit as laughable. Given the litigious nature of our culture fraud puts me in the increased risk category with a fake label. IMNSHO Id rather run without a fake sticker. My lawyer pals would love to have this as evidence in a suit for damages where I was shown to be at fault. Sure just like the claim that it’s unlikely any LEO will check. s*it happens. I’m old school. Black and white. If I had kids I’d say I was being a bad role model. YMMV

I would think that it’s my bike and I can put whatever stickers I want in it. I could put a WORP drive sticker on it or a Millennium Falcon sticker on it and that would not make anything fraud. (There is no requirement to label any motor in my state as far as I know.)

You have far more respect for government authority than me as my libertarian colors are coming through. I’m even older school (ala Jefferson). The one who feels the need to refresh the tree of liberty with the blood of tyrants from time to time.

I hope my kids grow up scoffing at authority especially when it’s being stupid and arbitrary. This has gotten me pretty far in life.
 

tomjasz

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I would think that it’s my bike and I can put whatever stickers I want in it.

Sure you can and you did!
Read again, "I'd rather run without a fake sticker." "where I was shown to be at fault." " "I’m old school." and finally, " If I had kids I’d say I was being a bad role model. YMMV"

Not a single YOU or YOUR, and certainly no politics.


And yes, I do respect authority when respect is due and earned.
 

BigMatt

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Sure you can and you did!
Read again, "I'd rather run without a fake sticker." "where I was shown to be at fault." " "I’m old school." and finally, " If I had kids I’d say I was being a bad role model. YMMV"

Not a single YOU or YOUR, and certainly no politics.


And yes, I do respect authority when respect is due and earned.

Sorry if I came on a little strong. Allusions that I might be committing fraud or being a poor role model for my children do that.

That being said, your use of pronouns made it implicit rather than explicit, so I’m only implicitly offended.

😉

By the way, Chicago city government and the Chicago PD have a ways to go to earn my respect... Let’s just say they need work.
 
i love how the 250w sticker is the polar opposite of those car guys putting on fake air scoops and "turbo stickers"!

but the conversation really got me thinking (apologies for momentary thread hijack:) if we set aside the sticker and think through thomas' argument about lawsuits; i wonder if the mere fact of owning a bike with more than the allowed wattage (say for example, > the federal 750 watts); or violation of a state reg (e.g., ability to go throttle-only; speed setting higher than 20) is going to cause insurance attorneys to try to weasel out of coverage. shudder... like in the car accident world, the auto insurer loves to try and argue no coverage over drunk drivers... (sort of an exaggerated example but still...).
 

AHicks

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Though I think the throttle rule is stupid, it would be hard to argue whether you have one or not in court. About the best you could do would be to say it was disabled. Your word against a cops regarding your speed would be another tough one.

The one I believe they would REALLY struggle proving would be the 750 watt rule. They're going to play hell proving that one unless the motor happens to have markings on it. Not all of them do, nor are there clearly marked model numbers.....
 
more to ahicks' point about the wattage being hard to prove - who's to say that the manufacturer's original watt ratings are any more accurate than the sticker? like maybe if your application is punishing the DD motor with a heavy load slowly up long uphills, an ostensibly legal looking 750 watt sticker might actually be the more proper dissipation rating than 1200 for this motor...?
 

BigMatt

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i love how the 250w sticker is the polar opposite of those car guys putting on fake air scoops and "turbo stickers"!

but the conversation really got me thinking (apologies for momentary thread hijack:) if we set aside the sticker and think through thomas' argument about lawsuits; i wonder if the mere fact of owning a bike with more than the allowed wattage (say for example, > the federal 750 watts); or violation of a state reg (e.g., ability to go throttle-only; speed setting higher than 20) is going to cause insurance attorneys to try to weasel out of coverage. shudder... like in the car accident world, the auto insurer loves to try and argue no coverage over drunk drivers... (sort of an exaggerated example but still...).

Let’s face it. If I’m riding an EBike in downtown Chicago rush hour traffic, I have to be pretty risk tolerant.

(And a $5 million umbrella liability policy I own helps. #moralhazard. Although chances are any meaningful accident I cause makes my life, health and disability’ insurance more important than any property insurance. Scraping my brain matter off a windshield or bumper is pretty cheap.)
 
I hear you on that, I'm in NYC...! One thing I haven't been able to quite put together is how this 1200w kit makes me faster than the other commuter ebikes that I encounter... But there's always a delivery guy with a small geared hub motor that kicks my butt. It must be the torque??
 

AHicks

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The 1000 -1500w direct drive kits are pretty gutless when compared to a gear drive hub half that size at low speeds. Where you start seeing the big DD kit's coming into their own is over 12-15mph. At that point, as long as the ground is level, you'll probably smoke the gear drive, especially the smaller ones.
 

BigMatt

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I hear you on that, I'm in NYC...! One thing I haven't been able to quite put together is how this 1200w kit makes me faster than the other commuter ebikes that I encounter... But there's always a delivery guy with a small geared hub motor that kicks my butt. It must be the torque??

The most important factor on my traffic-heavy commute seems to be how many red lights I hit or not. On my faster bike, I spend more time at red lights than my slower (with less torque) bikes, but my overall commuting time doesn’t change much. On non-rush hour more open-road stretches it matters more.

Sometimes I end having to pass the same tortoise bike 2-3 times because I’m hitting the red light and full stopping... They’re so slow that they’re hitting the light turning green while still at full speed then I have to accelerate from a stop to pass them again.. and again... I need to hit like 2 green lights in a row to actually permanently overtake these tortoise menaces...
 
say does anybody know if the bafang programming cable works with this ebikeling kit? I was hoping to tweak one of the settings to give me a top assist speed of 20 mph...
 

BigMatt

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say does anybody know if the bafang programming cable works with this ebikeling kit? I was hoping to tweak one of the settings to give me a top assist speed of 20 mph...

I don’t know if the bafang cable works with it, but the ebikeling kit display panel (for the 1200 or 1500 W kits) allow you to program the stop speed in KM/H. Set it to 32 KM/H (20 MPH) and it will stop helping you there. (I usually set it to 100 KM / Hr for no limit other than motor limit). You can also put it on PAS level 2 or 3 (instead of PAS level 5) and that’ll be around 20 MPH with healthy pedaling.

It can display speed in either MPH or KMH, but for some reason the speed cap requires KMH.
 
ah good idea, thx! i was thinking if i ever get sucked into a checkpoint i might try just setting my PAS to a level that ends up at around 20 and showing the cop "see, it's limited to 20mph". currently PAS3 takes me to 16mph and PAS4 takes me to 25mph so I reckon i just have to fidget with the overall max to get one of those to end up at 20mph...?
 

BigMatt

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ah good idea, thx! i was thinking if i ever get sucked into a checkpoint i might try just setting my PAS to a level that ends up at around 20 and showing the cop "see, it's limited to 20mph". currently PAS3 takes me to 16mph and PAS4 takes me to 25mph so I reckon i just have to fidget with the overall max to get one of those to end up at 20mph...?

I think by setting P08 (see link for directions) to 32 KMH will essentially cap you out at 20 MPH assist whether you’re on setting 3, 4 or 5. 1 and 2 (and maybe 3) will be slower. On the Ebikeling Kit, the 1-5 settings apply to both the throttle and PAS. You can also adjust it so you can turn off/on PAS and/or throttle through the programming.

It also has a 0/5, 1/5, 0/3 and 1/3 setting. The 5 is five PAS levels. The 3 is three PAS levels. The 0 is more kick on PAS. The 1 is less kick on PAS.

For the first time in weeks, I rode home on 2 and 3 settings today (instead of my usual 5) because it snowed like hell...


My winter bike I nicknamed “weapons grade” has an Ebikeling hub on the front and back and 80 AMP hours of batteries (rear rack, down tube and front bag). I wired a single PAS into both controllers and motors so they kick in perfect harmony and both are also wired to the same throttle. (I actually put a twist on the left and a thumb on the right that both do the same thing because why not???). With both (1,200 W) hubs, 3 is comfortably over 20 MPH with modest pedaling. On my 1,500 Watt 29 inch Trek (rear only hub) bike, setting 3 is well over 20 MPH with any decent pedaling.

Weapons grade is probably going to get me in trouble one of these days, but it’s too fun not to ride it any chance I get. The Trek 29 is probably faster at top speed, but the torque + fat tire ride of Weapons Grade is irresistible. 35 MPH on weapons grade isn’t scary. It’s terrifying on the Trek...

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BigMatt

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Thx bigmatt! I wonder what it would be like to add a mid drive to your awd bike that would be RIDICULOUS TORQUE

I actually have given real thought to doing that. I’ll know I’ve lost my mind completely when I order the midrive kit. At that point, 80 Amp hours might only get me 20 miles... but I’d get there fast.
 

AHicks

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I actually have given real thought to doing that. I’ll know I’ve lost my mind completely when I order the midrive kit. At that point, 80 Amp hours might only get me 20 miles... but I’d get there fast.

Lot's of amperage/wattage great for accelerating to speed or climbing, but a huge waste once that speed or the top of the hill is achieved. Unless the start and finish lines were very close together, "getting there first" might be a chalenge many with much less power might take you up on.....

Point being, there is a point where "over kill" comes into play, to my way of thinking anyway. -Al
 
Well one place the mid drive might actually help is pulling away from a stop, since if your kit is like mine it takes a little bit of pedaling before the pas kicks in right? It could be that my magnet disc isn't quite aligned right- I had it mounted on an octalink bottom bracket and had to drill out the middle to make it fit and strayed a little bit off center, sigh. Going to "upgrade" to a normal square taper this week so I have more crank options