Congratulations to the fun Juiced HyperScorpion, a 33mph (53km/h) emoped that's a little of everything. It's our ebike of 2020.
Are you speaking from experience? Do you own one?At 100 lbs, the pedals there are for show only. This is not an ebike, it is a moped, not much different in execution then my old and long gone 1979 AMF Roadmaster Moped. Actually, I could only dream of the kind of torque, power and speed that McCullouch 1hp powered 2 stroke engine could put out that the Juiced moped does today.
yeah I'm not sure if this is an ebike.Meh. Not my style. I am more of an e-mtb type biker.
That said, any ebike that is going 33mph on throttle alone and encourages throttle over pedaling, I don't consider this an ebike at all. I saw one while waiting a stoplight (in a car) and for the first time, I saw an ebike moving without pedaling. I just get used to seeing bikes being pedaled so it was weird to see it. I am not anti-throttle and do not buy the argument that having one automatically makes it a moped, no.
But this Juice HS does seem to make the focus and marketing on throttle top speeds.
The longest ride I've taken on this bike so far (I've had it for about two months) is 20 miles. Average speed on that ride was 15.32 mph. That's a typical speed for Bonnie and I on recreational rides. Faster in the summer, to get more wind chill. The battery went down from 58.0 V to 51.7 V. (There's a quick drop-off from max voltage to around 55 V -- like in the first mile or so -- and then it really flattens out for a long time.) Average miles gained from a full battery: Our daily ride is just under 10 miles. I go 3 days between charging. The bike is down around 45% state of charge at that point, from a max of 95%. I've gone lower than that a couple of times on longer rides. Voltage drops off more quickly towards the end. So 45-95% is nominally 50% capacity, suggesting that you'd get 60 miles (with my weight, on my terrain, at X temperature, etc.), but really it would be more like 55. Someday I'll take it all the way down to 20% and see what the total miles on that particular charge cycle was.I'd be curious as to how long your bicycle trips are on this bike, what your average speeds work out to be, average mileage gained from a fully charged battery.
I haven't had any attention from law enforcement yet. I live in a town of around 25,000. I wave, they wave. I really don't know if it's because I pedal pretty much all the time. Maybe if I was jetting around at max speed on throttle-only they'd look closer. But so far, no hassle. It really doesn't look much like the Vespa-style mopeds that are so common hereabouts. (We call them "drunk cycles", because so many people riding them have lost their license due to multiple DUIs and this is their popular alternative.)Yes, the HS will draw more attention from law enforcement because it looks like a moped and is much faster than my 'Runner.
Yeah I just watched that.Having grown up on Super Cubs, it doesn't look like one to me. Superficial similarities, I guess. Micah Toll just did a review on Electrek of an electric scooter (no pedals) that really does look a lot like a Super Cub.
Well, people always need time to get used to something new. This kind of moped-style ebike (and Tora is upfront about evoking a 70s moped vibe when designing this bike) was nowhere to be seen when I started my ebike journey back in 2013. A couple of years from now, they will be ubiquitous and no one will think of them as strange or out-of-the-ordinary. Just another style among many. Remember when mountain bikes were new and exciting and different? Fat bikes? Bikes so light you could lift them with one finger? I do. None of that raises any eyebrows any more.Yeah I just watched that.
Super Cub was an example, I was saying that it did look like a bike in the class of Super Cub.
When I look at Hyper Scorpion, it does not look like a bicycle to me.
I have actually seen a Rize that looked exactly like Scorpion.
It was parked on bike rack, and other people were saying how it didn't even look like a bicycle and wondering if it was legal.
Anyways, I know Scrambler and Moped type ebikes have been gaining popularity, but it's not for me.
I feel like I'd be catching too much unwanted attention.
But maybe if there are tons of moped ebikes, it will become normal and people won't notice it anymore.
No, I do not remember when MTB first came out. 1970s would be decades before I was born, so I guess I'm too young for that, but whatever.Well, people always need time to get used to something new. This kind of moped-style ebike (and Tora is upfront about evoking a 70s moped vibe when designing this bike) was nowhere to be seen when I started my ebike journey back in 2013. A couple of years from now, they will be ubiquitous and no one will think of them as strange or out-of-the-ordinary. Just another style among many. Remember when mountain bikes were new and exciting and different? Fat bikes? Bikes so light you could lift them with one finger? I do. None of that raises any eyebrows any more.
I have held off on saying this, because some might take it personally, but what the heck. The deal is that a lot of folks who simply don't like the Scorpion style -- a legitimate preference -- are looking for reasons why it is wrong, instead of just something they wouldn't buy. I've never seen a trike I really liked, but I get their appeal and utility for many, many cyclists, and don't consider my tastes to be normative.
This is exactly the way a lot of pedal cyclists view all ebikes. Every one of them, regardless of type. And we're all certain that they are just being narrow-minded. Verbum sap.
So you believe. But you state it as actual fact. That's the part that I'm disagreeing with. State your preference all you want. State your opinion all you want. But call it that.No, I do not remember when MTB first came out. 1970s would be decades before I was born, so I guess I'm too young for that, but whatever.
"Getting used to" or "normative" isn't the sole problem of HyperScorpion.
Other bicycles can be out of norm, and people will still see it as bicycle.
Those scrambler/moped ebikes are way too much of motorcycle looking. Thus, catching unwanted attention.
You could argue that people aren't getting used to, or maybe their norm isn't quite there, but the fact is that, to many people's eyes, they look like motorcycles.
Let's talk about norm.
Japanese ebikes, so called "mamachari" style ebikes are very rare in the US.
Therefore, the Japanese style ebikes are out of the US norm.
However, if people in the US see Japanese ebikes for the first time, (Suzuki, Yamaha, Panasonic, Bridgestone, etc) do you think they would go like "Is this even legal??", "this look too much like a motorcycle", "it doesn't look like a bicycle"
Because HyperScorpion will have that problem.
??? okay???So you believe. But you state it as actual fact. That's the part that I'm disagreeing with. State your preference all you want. State your opinion all you want. But call it that.
Will you have the honesty to say "I was wrong" if, a couple of years down the line, moped-style bikes are accepted as just another ebike and they have caused zero legal hassles?