Fat bikes; Monsters? Mobile couches? Or a necessary tool?

legsofbeer

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I'm guessing law enforcement is not cracking down on Ebike class levels but you never know...
I think the short version, is "don't ride like a dick". For instance, ebikes are prohibited on the golden gate bridge but I've never been stopped, and have a buddy who does a daily commute on a yuba cargo bike. He says he's passed cops on the west side path many times, but always at or under the 15mph speed limit and has never been hassled. Of course, it helps that a cargo bike wouldn't look fast if you dropped it from a helo.
 

Hectors Ghost

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Something like a Yeti SB130 with a Rohloff Speed-hub and a BaFang BBSHD would be a blast! You'd feel invincible. The wrong frame geometry for carrying a large capacity battery but it's not something you would want to do long rides on much anyway, but it would go anywhere. I choose my bike for the largest variety of terrains, to carry panniers, and for maximum range, so I went with 26 X 2.5 tires. There have been times I would have loved to be wearing 4" shoes but they don't happen often enough to give up the range and speed a light set-up allows.
 

Hectors Ghost

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I'm guessing law enforcement is not cracking down on Ebike class levels but you never know...
It's not law enforcement pulling you over that you have to worry about (but it's happened to me twice) it's the insurance companies when/if something happens... that's when the police come into the situation usually. Everything is about money now and mitigating responsibility is a game insurance companies win. If you aren't "jacking around" in traffic a cop isn't going to stop you if you are up and pedaling the bike, even at 30 mph. Buzz through a long sweeping turn at a busy intersection on a long yellow/red and a cop is going to treat you the same as a car or motorcycle doing the same, as should be the case.
 

Sierratim

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The fact remains that in the States ebikes with less than 1hp/746W are defined as bicycles, subject to local regulations. Ebikes with more than 1hp/746W are not bicycles in the States as a matter of Federal law and are either restricted to private property or must be licensed as a moped or motorcycle with appropriate safety equipment. Some choose to flaunt these laws. There is some risk they'll be cited. More likely other cyclists complain as these mopeds/motorcycles (the law's definition, not mine) are ridden on trails designed for and limited to bicycles. This will eventually result in the tighter local restrictions allowed under Federal law.
 

ElevenAD

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Dunno. There's also the question of, if I configure my controller to limit power to speeds of 20mph or less, and turn off the throttle (there's a switch for this), is my 750w bike permitted where only class 1 bikes are?
cops generally dont give a s*it about your Ebike unless your riding to fast on something obnoxious,but if they did decide to hassle you turning the throttle off wont cut it,if your worried just remove the throttle all together.
 

legsofbeer

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but if they did decide to hassle you turning the throttle off wont cut it,if your worried just remove the throttle all together.
My question was more a hypothetical follow-on to the bolton video; I rarely ride off pavement. My throttle is a half-twist and very integrated into the handlebar and wiring harness, removing it would would be a one-way thing. But I could also disable it via the controller settings, beyond the physical disable switch.
 

onlineaddy

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San Diego
That looks like a beautiful, and challenging, place to ride. Wish I could go on an adventure like that. Enjoy!
 

ElevenAD

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Or people will be smart and stick with 1 h.p. and ride anywhere in America that bicycles are allowed.
The fact remains that in the States ebikes with less than 1hp/746W are defined as bicycles, subject to local regulations. Ebikes with more than 1hp/746W are not bicycles in the States as a matter of Federal law and are either restricted to private property or must be licensed as a moped or motorcycle with appropriate safety equipment. Some choose to flaunt these laws. There is some risk they'll be cited. More likely other cyclists complain as these mopeds/motorcycles (the law's definition, not mine) are ridden on trails designed for and limited to bicycles. This will eventually result in the tighter local restrictions allowed under Federal law.
whats happening on local trails with a few Fatbikes is the least of our concerns ,its the all throttle Taco/Scrambler ride culture that is going to kill E-Biking, every machine in this video will do 30mph+, i know its good fun but stuff like this will eventually get attention from law enforcement

Or people will be smart and stick with 1 h.p. and ride anywhere in America that bicycles are allowed.
it seems like people are not really into being smart lol
 

Hectors Ghost

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...its the all throttle Taco/Scrambler ride culture that is going to kill E-Biking. It seems like people are not really into being smart lol
None of these fit the definition of an LSEB. Don't worry about them, worry about the 2002 Federal definition being changed. But all these are dangerous, especially the single wheel boards. People can ride the s*it out of them but if their line is encroached on bad things happen. When my line is interrupted I just hit the brakes and/or alter direction. They almost have to move fast to stay stable and when s*it happens it can be bad for more than just themselves.
 

JayVee

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Mobile Couch? I guess you mean a Twike.

It has pedals, a battery, and can go 85km/h. It costs less (or just less) than a Tesla.

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Kayakguy

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I don't understand all the insecurity with eBikers. The first sentences of your post comments about what others think about fat bikes, then you do a little name calling of your own to show your distain with those who ride what they want to ride. We don't all have to be in separate tribes, let's just enjoy the ride we want! As a retired engineer, I would be worried about a folding frame riding that rough of terrain. It can't be easy on that hinge and the reliance on the butt welds with no gussets or reinforcements.
Beautiful scenery, gnarly trail, if you can call it that. But you seem to want to build yourself up by putting others down. Makes you seem insecure.
 

indianajo

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Haystack, we have scenery like that in East Kentucky & West Virginia where I was born. I'd like to ride there. But the backwoods are infested with marajuana growers and ginseng hunters who set boobie traps. Not police who arrest motorcycle riders. Wild Wonderful West Virginia is the tourist board slogan, and it's true. They jail murderers, sometimes. If a body is actually found. Lots of places noone ever goes. The escaped mine ponies run in herds with the deer, I've seen them. Also lots of vertical walls from strip mining; I've slid down a few.