Indeed, 25kph is rather low for any rider in decent shape on a decent bike on a decent road.
Riders using a a speed display are used to see 30+ figures and I'd be super happy if we had the same legal limit here in EU than in the States (20mph = 32 kph).
But for me, moving from peaks above 25kph to an average speed of 25kph on my daily commutes in Stockholm is impossible without proper cardio, due to the elevation delta mainly and the different stop & go.
Then the resulting sweat on my upper body demands that I carry an extra shirt and spend some time to (1) cool down and (2) find a bathroom to change and clean off the body fluids.
Because there is no way I can start a meeting or join friends for a drink in such state.
So the 5-10 minutes saved in commute time translate into a 15 minutes pit-stop + cooldown.
And that's in decent weather conditions with summer tires and light clothes
Now "Winter is Coming"TM and I'm switching my Schwalbe Marathon Greenguard with superb rolling resistance to Marathon Winter 240 spikes.
And my light Goretex setup to a combo of moped/snowboarding gears (gloves/helmet/pants/jackets) to handle the regular -10°c (14°F) conditions.
Achieving an average 25kph without sweating on the snow/icy paths -with winter tires and clothes-: impossible for an old slightly overweight fart like me, I admit.
But I hope a pedelec, even limited at 25kph, will help.
If I can find better, while reasonnable, sure !
PS: just took some pictures of the bike path down my flat this afternoon so you can see the local conditions.
If it looks like it's night-time, it's because it is ^!^: the sun goes down at 15:30 this week (14:45 on Dec 21)
Though the lens on the Moto X accentuates the effect due to light posts, the sky is not THAT black.
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Thanks for the tip for the hand detergent over the surface of your goggles! I was having issues with my goggles going into work today as it was a misty rain, they were unusable and I had to remove them! lol I will try that trick on my eBike ride home! hahaI have similar clothing setup as you do. I was wearing a snowboarding goggles and helmet when the cold stroke last week, It felt much nicer overall and had lees trouble with the moisture inside the goggles compared to the regular bike glasses I own. A small trick here: you can apply a thin layer of hand detergent over the surface of your goggles/glasses if you want to avoid moisture.
By the way, I am using the Schwalbe Maraton Winter tyres, but the thinnest I could find (30-622) and I am regretting of having them (I actually bought them for a racer bike I have) and they are not very suitable on the heavier Turbo bike, when I hit soft snow everything becomes very unstable, I fear for my life =), but it grasps well on ice though). We still have several months of winter ahead, we'll see if I get wider 40 or 50-622 winter tyres.
I also live where it gets dark early but instead of snow I have lots of rain to deal with. I have a set of neoprene raingear made by Stromer that I use while commercial fishing that goes on when it is really nasty out but my base layers of a set of tights with chamois, merino wool jersey and light merino wool sweater stays the same. For lesser rain I just use Gage raingear or Red Ledge lighter weight coat and pants. My son works for Nike and got me a pair of Converse water proof All Stars that are doing very well as I use flat pedals on my e bike. Sometimes I come home pretty dry and other times not so much but we don't get much lower than 40d here so by wearing wool I am still comfortable.
I read awhile ago that using the tight black gloves like mechanics use as a base layer for your hands also helps in cold climates. I just use the stretchy back insulated gloves that I get for $4.50 a pair and never had cold hands, even if wet.
I like threads like this that expose what is going on across the pond. The market there is much more mature and I am sure there are many folks like Taipan, who has been kind enough to take the time to share with us his clothing solutions, that have e biking pretty well dialed.
A big thing for me however is lighting but it probably deserves its own thread. There are many ways to skin that cat also!