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coldriderwi

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Looks sharp in matte black. I’m dying for user feedback on this bike. I must have watched the YouTube video from electrek at least a dozen times!

Did you do any customization with components? Are you using yours strictly as a commuter?
 

scout592

Member
I asked them about the group buy a few weeks ago but they said it was over so I I would need to pay the $780 shipping. I asked them about adding fenders and they said that is an option.
 

tomdav

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@coldriderwi I ordered it with rack, lights, and fenders. It was a small upcharge. I also asked for ergonomic grips. I may have them to throw in a $20 programming cable as I hear the stock Bafang torque sensing settings on the Ultra needs some tuning. I'm on the fence about the matte black. Just doesn't seem to exude the quality of the glossier colors. Could just be the lighting.







The latter is eggbert's bike. He hasn't posted an update but seemed like he should have his bike by now.
 

coldriderwi

Member
I hear ya on the matte black. I like it....but I would prefer something with a little more pizazz than that. The CC is hard because it is all a solid color with no real contrasting color options like they have on the AM. So you really have to like the color. I’ve seen other matte black bikes in person and they look pretty nice.

I’m looking at the egg rider for a more discreet display. Also allows you to program the ultra from your phone. Seems nice.

Good call on ergo grips I hadn’t thought of that.

The CC does have the option for a 29” wheel so I’m considering that too.

What are your planned uses for it? Just commuting?
 

tomdav

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Hmm, I didn't realize it has the option for 29" wheels. Now I'm re-thinking that! They said my CC wouldn't be built until the end of the month when they have all parts for the group buy orders so I can still tweak things. I will probably go with red. Ivy said it looks the best.

I got the CC for all around use. I'm retired so mostly just for exercise. In summer I ride fire roads on my current BBS01 mid-drive and it does fine but only has a 350 Wh in tube battery. After 2000' of gain even with a lot of pedaling my battery is down to 20%, so I got the CC for longer rides. I think it will do fine on fire roads even with non MTB tires.
 

Marci jo

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Would love to simply test ride one of these bikes. Not likely since there are no dealers. Maybe that’s a good thing. If I rode one, then with all that torque and power I might absolutely,positively, have to get one.
That red really rocks!
 
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Paul Dugrenier

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I live in upstate New York where ebike laws are in limbo until our governor signs a proposed bill legalizing 3 classes of ebike. Our local bike shops typically have had a very limited selection of prohibitively expensive Specialized and Trek models to test ride so I depend on video reviews and forums like this to learn what to look for in an ebike.
I’m a semi-retired 68 year old with a one month old knee replacement looking for an ebike I can use for both road and trails. In late December I watched Micah Toll’s video review of the new Frey CC model and I thought I had found what I was looking for.

I was very hesitant to consider purchasing a bike directly from China, but after extensive research I was convinced that Frey sells high quality products and cares about their customers. I ordered the CC model at the deadline for the special shipment to the U.S. but started having second thoughts about whether a step through design was right for me. I started watching the Frey tour videos of the mountain ebikes which looked like great fun. Although at my age I would never ride as aggressively as those riders, I decided that I want a bike that’s more capable off road. I then looked at the HT1000 hard tail model that would be better off road and less expensive than the CC. More research showed that a full suspension bike is better on challenging trails than a hard tail which led me to the full suspension AM1000 which was Frey‘s first ebike and I believe the first to use the Bafang Ultra motor.

I ordered my AM1000 on January 15th which unfortunately caused me to miss the special shipping option so instead of $300, I paid $550 for sea shipping. Even though the stock AM1000 is well configured, I ordered several upgrades that put me past what I expected to spend.

For anyone interested, there is a forum on endless-sphere called “ My Bafang Ultra mountain bike! Frey AM1000” that started October 13, 2017 and is still active today. I’ve read all 75 pages of comments that document the experience of AM1000 owners. It is a treasure of information about this bike and Ivy Wang, the co-owner of Frey, monitors the site. Any gripes by the rare disgruntled customer are quickly addressed and appear to be resolved amicably.

There are quite a few gear heads posting to that forum and based on their comments I upgraded my front shock to a Lyric. I added a seat post dropper, fenders, lights, and a rear rack. I also purchased an additional 52v17.5ah battery and charger. The beauty of the Bafang Ultra motor is that it is programmable by the end user. Frey believes that the motor is optimally programmed when it leaves the factory but will provide a programming cable and configuration tool to adjust tha PAS settings, if requested.

I would like to mention that the bikes have been shipping with a 48v21ah battery which is standard for the Ultra motor.
However, there are several sources that state that the 52v17.5 battery option is not only compatible with the Ultra motor, it actually performs better. Micah Toll gave a nice explanation in one of his videos if you’re interested.

The Chinese Spring Festival is supposed to end tomorrow, so hopefully Frey will be back to work next week, if the corona virus hasn’t shut everything down. Grace from Frey gave me an expected shipping date of March 15th, but maybe sooner and I expect it will take another month or so to be delivered. In the meantime, I’ll keep watching this forum.
Have a good day!
 

tomdav

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I must have watched the YouTube video from electrek at least a dozen times!
Same here. But I cringe every time they play chariots of fire with that heavy steel bike going over a jump in slow motion proclaiming "this is a FREY bike in it's natural habitat".
 

Paul Dugrenier

New Member
It seems bike parks are popular there and in many parts of Europe. Here in New York its still illegal to ride an ebike even on fire trails in our 6 million acre Adirondack park. If our legislators could see past their nose, they would see the possibility of creating ebike tourism that would benefit the struggling rural towns in the region. The current legislation would allow class 3 ebikes only in NYC and no ebikes upstate on roads with speed limits above 30mph. That makes perfect sense, right?
 

coldriderwi

Member
Hmm, I didn't realize it has the option for 29" wheels. Now I'm re-thinking that!

This was the response I got from grace:

29" wheel is available, the width of the tire must less than 2.2".
One thing I’d be concerned about it the ease of removing the battery. Looks like it comes out from the bottom so a larger wheel may require you to turn the wheel to the side to get the battery in and out.

29” would seem to be ideal for commuting. With the reduced width I’m not sure how much of an impact that would have off road.
 

tomdav

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Thanks, I think I'll stick with the 27.5 for the wider tires. Decided to change color to red. Plan to add a spare set of Maxxis MTB tires to swap out if the Moto-X don't suffice on fire roads, programming cable, and maybe a spare battery. Wondering what else I could be missing? Don't need an extra charger for work.
 

opimax

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it is not a fast charger, for 2 batteries if you ride a lot you have to keep juggling , charge when you get home
, may not finish before you go to bed but change to the other battery, it completes then change to the 1st battery in the morning to complete both

this is what I do for 1of my bikes to ride daily
 
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tomdav

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Found another video of the Frey CC in action as well as the EX model. I believe this was put together by their Swiss rep who was one of the individuals participating in the factory tour but these appear to be shot in Europe:


 

Sinbord1981

New Member
Hello guys. I’m Simon from England in the United Kingdom and just joined the forum here. I work closely with Frey and bring the bikes in to the UK through my company Adrenaline eBikes for my customers wishing to buy them in the UK and I provide them with support and technical expertise on the whole range of Frey bikes. I was out in China riding all their model in September last year so have quite a lot of experience with both the newer CC and EX models and I’d also had my own AM1000 that I’d been riding for a year. I’ve done over 800 miles on my AM1000 and have reprogrammed the Bafang controller, stripped and regreased it and done all number of other upgrades along the way. Happy to help answer any questions you good folks have!
 

Sinbord1981

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I also purchased an additional 52v17.5ah battery and charger.

I would like to mention that the bikes have been shipping with a 48v21ah battery which is standard for the Ultra motor.
However, there are several sources that state that the 52v17.5 battery option is not only compatible with the Ultra motor, it actually performs better. Micah Toll gave a nice explanation in one of his videos if you’re interested.
Hi there Paul. I bought my AM1000 v5 a year ago and have done over 800 miles on it now. I’ve reprogrammed it, opened it up and regreased it and I run it with a 52V 17.5ah battery. I bought it with two of the 52V batteries. They charge to 58.8V. The recommendation is to take the 48V 21ah battery though as the BMS is more stable and there have been less issues with them but to date I’ve had no issues with mine. Micah’s a friend of mine that I spent a lot of time with, riding these bikes in China. It’s very well worth everyone checking out his channels and articles as they are very good on all aspects.

Here’s the Bafang Ultra strip down video I did, which may be of interest to you as well:
 

Sinbord1981

New Member
Wondering what else I could be missing?
Hey tomdav! I’d suggest making sure it’s coming with the chain catcher - I think they’re all pretty much shipping as standard with these now. I also recommend to my customers to get the gear sensor. This is a little gadget that senses when you change gear (up or down) and momentarily cuts the power to the motor. It’s a bit of a fail safe device to stop you mashing the gears and chain. Finally it’s probably also worth getting an extra derailleur hanger as these are bespoke to the bike and it can be a common breakage if you crash heavily on the right hand side of the bike. You’ll see that this is exactly what I did when jumping on Frey’s new demo EX at the Brave Peak Bike Park in China. The bike came off a lot better than me and whilst I crashed on the right hand side of the bike the derailleur hanger was actually fine. Still worth getting one with your bike though as they are only low cost. Cheers!