Glimpse of the future in transportation

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One of my reasons for being so involved in the e-bike industry as a dealer, is not per se for the sake of ebikes themselves. They are fascinating and fun, and do all sorts of great things that enable more people to get outdoors and riding a 'bike.'

It goes much deeper though, as our current choices of transportation (cars, bus, train, plane, bike, motor-cycle, scooter, moped, etc) are basically archaic. Its been more than 100 years now, since the advent of what we call 'cars' (suv's, trucks, sedans, what have you), and we are stuck on stupid. Using so much energy to push around 5000 lb vehicles, up to 80,000 lb loaded semi's is absurd from a sustainability standpoint. Safety is an entirely different and super important issue, and its relevant in how we address this going forward, but shouldn't keep us from pursuing much lighter weight vehicle choices.

There are so many more choices of vehicle form factors, weights, propulsion systems, etc., and yet we allow 'big oil' and the 'tiny 3' to essentially dominate what occurs. Their lobbyists remain too powerful, and influential, while their design engineers are heavily limited by organizational bureaucracy. They are not able to be very creative nor innovative. And our woeful transportation infrastructure, largely designed for these archaic behemoths, basically pushes out 90% of the other choices we could really consider, including much lighter weight, less toxic, less wasteful from a material use standpoint, type of vehicle.

The above is in part why you have to LOVE an ebike from an overall sustainability standpoint. It uses human energy (so humans can gain the benefit exercise), while also using machinery and less polluting propulsion, to achieve MPGe (equivalents) of as much as 1340 MPGe. I've posted elsewhere about how you get to that math, courtesy of a really cool TedX talk done by a gentleman far smarter than I am in that particular area.

We need to evolve, and we need to PUSH back, on these big corporations, that really don't have your interest at heart. Neither do politicians in DC, as we all know, and neither do the globalists who are all about political 'power.' You may not be buying an ebike for this purpose, but it IS a pushback, and the more people engaging in it, is going to force politicians and these corps to respond.

For some short background, my LLC is Sustainability Innovations, named for certain specific goals that I have for the rest of my life, going beyond the 35 + years I have worked mostly with energy technology. I'm not out to change the world, but certain I want to have a role in enabling some of these changes that need to occur for our society to prosper well into the future, for generations to come. Even if they are small and 'baby steps' toward what is possible. I don't define myself as an 'ebike dealer' nor a 'business owner' or even any kind of 'specialist'. I am more about possibilities, and pushing forward, and not going back. What I accomplish is not relevant either... it's simply about doing and action, always moving forward. So when I post here, its about ideas and staying true to core principals. And if something is detrimental to the overall well being of an industry like ebikes, I am not going to be shy about pointing it out. You know me for that, and it ain't going to change, no matter what any of you respond with. (Admonish away or make fun of it all you want. lol)

Anyway, sharing this next link is about possibilities.... you can critique it all you want, and yes its about baby steps, but I really love the fact that there are ideas and firms implementing them heading toward more sustainable technology, including lighter weight, and purpose built. Including electric, yes, but the way we get that electric may likely change drastically from batteries to something beyond.

I mentioned in a post a couple years back, that this 'electric assist' stuff and ebikes, are going to open up the possibilities of what is possible for transportation, that does not need to involve 'behemoths' or big hunks of metal, that take massive 1200 lb battery packs to get one or two people around. That's frankly archaic folks. And thats how we may need to think of all this related to transportation, and not necessarily be so impressed or so in awe with what a Tesla comes out with, or Porsche, or any other EV firm. Certainly, what is being accomplished is interesting, and yet still VERY expensive. But does it have to be that way, and cost so much, and do we really need to have such heavy vehicles to get around, that still use up way too much of this planet's raw materials and energy resources ? Ask yourself if any of that is sustainable in the long term ? This is about a lot more than recycling paper, or using solar PV, or energy efficient appliances, or doing things like work 'virtually' to reduce transportation needs. Sustainable living is also about saving time, not wasting time. (wasting time usually means also a waste of energy. Both human and raw.)


Key Excerpt... "One recent study in Seattle found that delivery drivers spend at least 28% of their time looking for parking. When they don’t find it, they often end up blocking traffic. A separate study from Texas A&M found that while trucks make up around 7% of traffic, they account for 28% of congestion. And, like other larger vehicles, they get stuck in heavy traffic themselves. While a large Mercedes van has four times as much space for boxes, the e-bikes can compete by moving quickly and refilling at hubs, where a new cargo container can be loaded on the back of the bike in roughly a minute."

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indianajo

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At age 70 with no children I'm willing to take the risk on an e-bike, or pedal bike, of being flattened by some inattentive driver or some yehoo that wants to make his mark. I'm due for my cancer or dementia anyway, WT*.
At age 18 to 58 I drove a 4200 lb steel box (59 Ford) that had a good chance of holding off a 40 ton battering ram. 3500 lb is not enough, I saved a picture of a 90's Buick full size car on I65 about 6" tall under a 40 ton couch as the driver took a nap at 65 mph. There is a lesser alternative, about 2000 I discovered Mercedes 1980-84 was gluing plastic panels to the steel wrapper and absorbing massive energy as the bond ripped open. I have a picture of a '82 Merc 300 that took a semi on the trunk, warped massively, and the driver spent one evening in the hospital. Those star ratings on new cars are a complete fraud. The stars indicate the passenger's ability to survive an accident with a vehicle of the same size. Or a bridge abutment, but I was never going to run into a fixed object anyway. I'm a lert.
The chance of US citizens defeating our addiction to 40 ton semi's delivering everything from ***** to our local store is about zero. 2018 year I rode I40 out to the Grand canyon and I10 back. There was a 120 car train double stacked with containers from port of LA headed east every 10 minutes. All those containers get transferred to trucks and driven to your local warehouse by 99.999% professionals, and .001% idiots that use their time off to party & booze instead of sleep. Europe's 50 km/hr speed limit on large trucks is never going to happen here. Auto drive may help, but it has been proven by deadly road accident that the technology is not ready yet. The future is indicated by the number of 40 ton trucks in your neighborhood driving around with their own forklift and their own hydraulic lift gate, to serve stores too tiny to own their own dock or forklift.
 
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The chance of US citizens defeating our addiction to 40 ton semi's delivering everything from ***** to our local store is about zero.
Maybe we will just run out of oil, and 'brick' those dang semi's once and for all ? lol.
 

Karm

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How to ride E-bike in the heavy rain at 28 mph for 40 miles every single day during a rain season (4 months) to workplaces and still enjoy the riding without getting wet, mud and all?
Has anybody done it yet? I don't want to look like a monkey after riding in the rain for long and go to work to meet people full of sweat, mud and rain.
 
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How to ride E-bike in the heavy rain at 28 mph for 40 miles every single day during a rain season to workplaces and still enjoy the riding without getting wet, mud and all?
28 mph ? Why the need to travel that fast ? Plan ahead , plot the safe route, and take the tried and true path of the 'turtle'. Or if you can't handle rain, then take an Uber on those days.
 

Karm

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28 mph ? Why the need to travel that fast ? Plan ahead , plot the safe route, and take the tried and true path of the 'turtle'. Or if you can't handle rain, then take an Uber on those days.
Because 40 miles a day is a very normal transportation for work. Speaking of future, I don't want to waste more than 4 hours on a bike everyday and don't ride a bike when it is raining. Or the bike riding is not future-proof to me. I used to ride a motorcycle, riding 200 miles a day very often and it is within 2 hours easily. Speaking of future, riding bicycle needs to be fast, long distance and rainproof, or it's just much cheaper driving a car or stuff.
 

pxpaulx

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Because 40 miles a day is a very normal transportation for work. Speaking of future, I don't want to waste more than 4 hours on a bike everyday and don't ride a bike when it is raining. Or the bike riding is not future-proof to me. I used to ride a motorcycle, riding 200 miles a day very often and it is within 2 hours easily. Speaking of future, riding bicycle needs to be fast, long distance and rainproof, or it's just much cheaper driving a car or stuff.
To a certain point you are correct here - but where you live is also a choice. The unfortunate reality that we currently face is that the vast majority of US housing is built outwards into the suburbs, where we have learnt to value a big yard and space from our neighbors vs the convenience of living close to work and amenities needed for daily living. It is partly a product of post-war expansion, and also simply the availability of that space. Many cities and their residents are coming to realize this has been a long-term issue, and it won't be fixed overnight. But I believe that over time we will see these trends reverse as transportation congestion continues to increase until real action is needed (I'd argue we are already beyond that point, but most people still put up with it all). Blueprints abound in other countries, it is just a matter of actively moving infrastructure to a more sustainable and practical approach to meeting most daily transport needs.
 

GypsyTreker

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One of my reasons for being so involved in the e-bike industry as a dealer, is not per se for the sake of ebikes themselves. They are fascinating and fun, and do all sorts of great things that enable more people to get outdoors and riding a 'bike.'

It goes much deeper though, as our current choices of transportation (cars, bus, train, plane, bike, motor-cycle, scooter, moped, etc) are basically archaic. Its been more than 100 years now, since the advent of what we call 'cars' (suv's, trucks, sedans, what have you), and we are stuck on stupid. Using so much energy to push around 5000 lb vehicles, up to 80,000 lb loaded semi's is absurd from a sustainability standpoint. Safety is an entirely different and super important issue, and its relevant in how we address this going forward, but shouldn't keep us from pursuing much lighter weight vehicle choices.

There are so many more choices of vehicle form factors, weights, propulsion systems, etc., and yet we allow 'big oil' and the 'tiny 3' to essentially dominate what occurs. Their lobbyists remain too powerful, and influential, while their design engineers are heavily limited by organizational bureaucracy. They are not able to be very creative nor innovative. And our woeful transportation infrastructure, largely designed for these archaic behemoths, basically pushes out 90% of the other choices we could really consider, including much lighter weight, less toxic, less wasteful from a material use standpoint, type of vehicle.

The above is in part why you have to LOVE an ebike from an overall sustainability standpoint. It uses human energy (so humans can gain the benefit exercise), while also using machinery and less polluting propulsion, to achieve MPGe (equivalents) of as much as 1340 MPGe. I've posted elsewhere about how you get to that math, courtesy of a really cool TedX talk done by a gentleman far smarter than I am in that particular area.

We need to evolve, and we need to PUSH back, on these big corporations, that really don't have your interest at heart. Neither do politicians in DC, as we all know, and neither do the globalists who are all about political 'power.' You may not be buying an ebike for this purpose, but it IS a pushback, and the more people engaging in it, is going to force politicians and these corps to respond.

For some short background, my LLC is Sustainability Innovations, named for certain specific goals that I have for the rest of my life, going beyond the 35 + years I have worked mostly with energy technology. I'm not out to change the world, but certain I want to have a role in enabling some of these changes that need to occur for our society to prosper well into the future, for generations to come. Even if they are small and 'baby steps' toward what is possible. I don't define myself as an 'ebike dealer' nor a 'business owner' or even any kind of 'specialist'. I am more about possibilities, and pushing forward, and not going back. What I accomplish is not relevant either... it's simply about doing and action, always moving forward. So when I post here, its about ideas and staying true to core principals. And if something is detrimental to the overall well being of an industry like ebikes, I am not going to be shy about pointing it out. You know me for that, and it ain't going to change, no matter what any of you respond with. (Admonish away or make fun of it all you want. lol)

Anyway, sharing this next link is about possibilities.... you can critique it all you want, and yes its about baby steps, but I really love the fact that there are ideas and firms implementing them heading toward more sustainable technology, including lighter weight, and purpose built. Including electric, yes, but the way we get that electric may likely change drastically from batteries to something beyond.

I mentioned in a post a couple years back, that this 'electric assist' stuff and ebikes, are going to open up the possibilities of what is possible for transportation, that does not need to involve 'behemoths' or big hunks of metal, that take massive 1200 lb battery packs to get one or two people around. That's frankly archaic folks. And thats how we may need to think of all this related to transportation, and not necessarily be so impressed or so in awe with what a Tesla comes out with, or Porsche, or any other EV firm. Certainly, what is being accomplished is interesting, and yet still VERY expensive. But does it have to be that way, and cost so much, and do we really need to have such heavy vehicles to get around, that still use up way too much of this planet's raw materials and energy resources ? Ask yourself if any of that is sustainable in the long term ? This is about a lot more than recycling paper, or using solar PV, or energy efficient appliances, or doing things like work 'virtually' to reduce transportation needs. Sustainable living is also about saving time, not wasting time. (wasting time usually means also a waste of energy. Both human and raw.)


Key Excerpt... "One recent study in Seattle found that delivery drivers spend at least 28% of their time looking for parking. When they don’t find it, they often end up blocking traffic. A separate study from Texas A&M found that while trucks make up around 7% of traffic, they account for 28% of congestion. And, like other larger vehicles, they get stuck in heavy traffic themselves. While a large Mercedes van has four times as much space for boxes, the e-bikes can compete by moving quickly and refilling at hubs, where a new cargo container can be loaded on the back of the bike in roughly a minute."

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I totally get where your enthusiasm lies and couldn't agree more. eBikes are the gateway drug to sustainable energy. The good news ... GMC agrees that the market is ready for the Hummer EV. Part of my critique on how I see LBS handle business and customers is that it is imperative, in my opinion, we have an "accoustic" (pun intended) dealer network to usher in the next "Big Era", a world without a dependence on fossil fuel and coal. Discouraging on-line eBike sales just extends the time it will take to electrify two wheel transportation. How the emerging market aquire their first eBike has no downside as long as they are buying them. eBike dealers who are truly trying to have a profitable enterprise and help usher in change need to be ambassadors to anyone dabbing their toes in the EV waters. Seriously.
 

kmccune

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At age 70 with no children I'm willing to take the risk on an e-bike, or pedal bike, of being flattened by some inattentive driver or some yehoo that wants to make his mark. I'm due for my cancer or dementia anyway, WT*.
At age 18 to 58 I drove a 4200 lb steel box (59 Ford) that had a good chance of holding off a 40 ton battering ram. 3500 lb is not enough, I saved a picture of a 90's Buick full size car on I65 about 6" tall under a 40 ton couch as the driver took a nap at 65 mph. There is a lesser alternative, about 2000 I discovered Mercedes 1980-84 was gluing plastic panels to the steel wrapper and absorbing massive energy as the bond ripped open. I have a picture of a '82 Merc 300 that took a semi on the trunk, warped massively, and the driver spent one evening in the hospital. Those star ratings on new cars are a complete fraud. The stars indicate the passenger's ability to survive an accident with a vehicle of the same size. Or a bridge abutment, but I was never going to run into a fixed object anyway. I'm a lert.
The chance of US citizens defeating our addiction to 40 ton semi's delivering everything from ***** to our local store is about zero. 2018 year I rode I40 out to the Grand canyon and I10 back. There was a 120 car train double stacked with containers from port of LA headed east every 10 minutes. All those containers get transferred to trucks and driven to your local warehouse by 99.999% professionals, and .001% idiots that use their time off to party & booze instead of sleep. Europe's 50 km/hr speed limit on large trucks is never going to happen here. Auto drive may help, but it has been proven by deadly road accident that the technology is not ready yet. The future is indicated by the number of 40 ton trucks in your neighborhood driving around with their own forklift and their own hydraulic lift gate, to serve stores too tiny to own their own dock or forklift.
I have noticed in the smaller towns in this area(usually on river bottoms), that quite a few used to have their own "rail spurs", now most of these have been ripped up, some of these old factories and whatnot were repurposed into temporary businesses that soon closed.
The paradigm shifted basically because of big oil and People with an unsustainable high standard of living were willing to commute and flee the small towns and cities.
There is funny math that can work out how efficient air travel is while ignoring the fact of how many resources are consumed. Thousands of gallons of irreplaceable kerosine that was injected into the air we depend on to live and exist'
Did anyone notice how the weather patterns shifted after so many flights were never taken, most be some lesson there?
People fight pipelines tooth and nail while ignoring the statistics( highway death tolls, etc) One smaller east coast interstate (I-81) is so congested with semis now there have been rumblings on how to make it safer, on the overpasses you can look a long way and what you usually see is 4 semis to one car.
Remember that work of fiction about ballfields" build the field and they will come"? The same thing applies to roads, build a road to relieve congestion and they are soon filled.
My take on all this is, despite all the rosy predictions and back-patting that goes on amongst the "Plutocrats" is this. There are too many of us and the rest of the world certainly cannot support our standard of living.
Does anybody remember LBJ's" War on Poverty" centered in the Appalachian region? I lived through that, despite privation, we were still far ahead of most 3rd world countries( I refer to my past condition as the "2.5" world- had a couple of bedrooms and a path, carrying water, Dogs( only God knows the answer to that one) Hog Pen( usually no Chickens-dogs took care of that) everything in the House freezing when a "Clipper" came through, yada, yada.). Despite that, we still had more than probably 80% of the world.
If it were not for "Anti-trust" laws and the like, most of America would be broke( not credit broke- just broke, no money to buy the necessities. All the while Madison Ave pushes"buy, buy" you can borrow it with easy money, use it till the gloss disappears then discard or donate it. Is this really sustainable? Simply No.
Bikers and EBikers are certainly helping the overall scheme of things, be ever vigilant and attend planning sessions and make your voice heard about things like bike lanes and car-free intercitys. If it really changes we as a whole are a good beginning.( Nuff said' for awhile)