You know I have very much considered this and for the price its really nice! However I would like to ride on bike trails and occasionay on the road so that puts this out of my view for now. I dont like the idea of putting pedels on it as to me thats BS, its really a e-motorcycle so I dont want to take a chance with that. I may still get one one day just for off-road.
Nice... So yea I dont think pretty much most ebikes would match a high end scooter in power esp since many of these scoots are dual motor.
I had a feeling you would ask, lol ..... I got a Lightning +. I REALLY Love this scooter. Its VERY powerful (for a scooter), it can climb pretty much anything I would be willing to ride up.
Tops out 40+ Mph, but I have not yet taken it that fast! Chirps the wheels if I want to, brakes are awesome, dual 1200 watt motors, 3600 Watts max total, lots of upgrades, etc. Really loving it, esp for the price!
Take a look and tell me what you think.... https://www.ewheels.com/product/new-turbowheel-lightning-957wh-battery-2x-1000w-3600w-motors/
Belts don’t like stones and gravel. It’s the biggest reason you don’t see them on motocross bikes either.
You don't want a 2500W Luna. Ludicrous just magnifies the issues with the stock controller. If you go with the Ultra you'll want to upgrade to the Innotrace controller (offered by Watt Wagons in North America). Much smoother and more efficient. One user reported almost twice as efficient.
Ride #4 today. Decided to ride around Lake Sammamish (lake below in this picture), something I had never had the courage to attempt with the stock controller given monster hill to get home. Starting Voltage: 53.8V (95% battery) Ending Voltage: 48.3V (60% battery) Distance: 35 miles Gain...electricbikereview.com
A belt drive also requires a split seat stay to install the belt. That could add a weakness to the frame of a serious mtb.
I actually initially got a basic 300W scooter for my wife and drove that for a few months before I got mine. I loved it too, drove to gym, gas stations (for fun and snacks, lol), etc. I still will ride that for certain trips or to be more low key. It goes plenty fast for its size, I think 18Mph is its top speed. Just about right for its tires and geometry. For the price its perfect too.F*cking sweet, mate. Dual suspension and 3.6kW.. the fastest motors out there are like 5kW mid-drives for bikes! With the added weight and lower power, bikes really have to up their game to keep up. That thing sounds like an awesome time!
I only have a 250W modded Xiaomi, but it still crushed the acceleration of those $4.5k Euro cruisers. Made me take a closer look at the physics involved, and the direct drive advantages vs. mid-drives. Turns out there's a lot of physics involved and reasons why the bikes are slower (but partially just idiot legislation). Only things that bikes should have are gearboxes and mid-drives mounted with low CG in the BB area. Reason why this hasn't happened is controlling lawmakers.
Sounds like EBRQuest needs to start a bike company, since he knows so much more than the all the idiots who design bikes now.
I actually initially got a basic 300W scooter for my wife and drove that for a few months before I got mine. I loved it too, drove to gym, gas stations (for fun and snacks, lol), etc. I still will ride that for certain trips or to be more low key. It goes plenty fast for its size, I think 18Mph is its top speed. Just about right for its tires and geometry. For the price its perfect too.
Still not clear what your use case is. You specified MTB, which implies trail. but are looking at bikes that are definitely not trail bikes. Is it just some sort of "I've decided these technologies are the best and have to have them!" sort of thing?
IGHs/belt is a great solution for situations where you want to prioritize low maintenance. But they have a lot of disadvantages. IGHs are heavier and less efficient than chain drivetrains. They are much more complex to manufacture and as such are more expensive. They require some sort of torque arm which makes removing the rear wheel a pain the ass. Belts are great for singlespeed bikes, but putting one on a full suspension bike requires serious compromises in the design of that suspension. The are not field repairable if you snap one.
If you just gotta check those boxes, hey, best of luck.