How do you define the ideal electric touring bicycle?

webcurl

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Nice! My favorite stat is... "Duration: Total: 10.5 hours, Moving time: 5 hours". That means you spent a good part of the day and it wasn't all about covering distance. I wish the Gates belt drive would work on a suspended bike. Ride safe.
Has full suspension (including suspended rack) and gates. It ain't cheap :)
 

Stefan Mikes

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Distance: 124.2km - motor cutoff at approx 122km and kept lights on till end (Bosch keeps a reserve of battery for this).
Very interesting figures! I will compare that with my own experience:
Lovelec Diadem, rear hub 250 W motor, 576 Wh battery, 40-622 Kenda tires (pumped up to the allowed maximum). Rider weight 107 kg, bike weight 24 kg, total weight with lightly loaded panniers, so total weight 135 kg. Flat, no wind, temperature 25 C. Tarmac, some gravel and unpaved roads.

Lovelec leave it at the rider's discretion to restrict the bike. As I was testing the maximum range, I restricted the pedalling assistance to 25 km/h. I actually took two trips on the same battery charge. The PAS level 1 of 5, that is something such as Eco+ which makes pedalling easy but does not push you.

I took two separate trips on two consecutive days with the total range of 135 km. Average speed was around 22 km/h. At the end of the second ride the display produced a series of error messages as Lovelec does not cut off the system at very low battery level. Which leads me to the conclusion that having two batteries might meet my ideal at the cost of many hours of pedalling and no support against headwind (going to PAS 2 which is what I normally do while riding into headwind would drain the batteries faster).

Now I'd like to test what I could achieve with well tuned Specialized Turbo Vado 5.0 and two 604 Wh batteries but such test would be done only in the coming Spring.

P.S. Unrestricted, Lovelec Diadem let's me ride at 30 km/h with average slightly over 25 km/h and the range was 93 km on a single trip. The speed kills the range for sure.
 
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BBassett

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Has full suspension (including suspended rack) and gates. It ain't cheap :)
That's interesting, not the Delite... it's too light for heavy touring in my opinion but that they can keep tension on the belt with travel. You ever see Any Riese and Muller wearing front panniers? I saw one pic of a "Unicorn Delite" with what appeared to be full rear panniers but never one with fronts or all 4.
 

webcurl

Active Member
Very interesting figures! I will compare that with my own experience:
Lovelec Diadem, rear hub 250 W motor, 576 Wh battery, 40-622 Kenda tires (pumped up to the allowed maximum). Rider weight 107 kg, bike weight 24 kg, total weight with lightly loaded panniers, so total weight 135 kg. Flat, no wind, temperature 25 C. Tarmac, some gravel and unpaved roads.

Lovelec leave it at the rider's discretion to restrict the bike. As I was testing the maximum range, I restricted the pedalling assistance to 25 km/h. I actually took two trips on the same battery charge. The PAS level 1 of 5, that is something such as Eco+ which makes pedalling easy but does not push you.

I took two separate trips on two consecutive days with the total range of 135 km. Average speed was around 22 km/h. At the end of the second ride the display produced a series of error messages as Lovelec does not cut off the system at very low battery level. Which leads me to the conclusion that having two batteries might meet my ideal at the cost of many hours of pedalling and no support against headwind (going to PAS 2 which is what I normally do while riding into headwind would drain the batteries faster).

Now I'd like to test what I could achieve with well tuned Specialized Turbo Vado 5.0 and two 604 Wh batteries but such test would be done only in the coming Spring.

P.S. Unrestricted, Lovelec Diadem let's me ride at 30 km/h with average slightly over 25 km/h and the range was 93 km on a single trip. The speed kills the range for sure.
Especially with Panniers and other stuff to contribute to wind resistance, yes speed kills :)
 

webcurl

Active Member
That's interesting, not the Delite... it's too light for heavy touring in my opinion but that they can keep tension on the belt with travel. You ever see Any Riese and Muller wearing front panniers? I saw one pic of a "Unicorn Delite" with what appeared to be full rear panniers but never one with fronts or all 4.
I have https://www.thule.com/en-au/bike-accessories/rear-bike-racks/thule-tour-rack-_-100090 which is not ideal but works.
Many R&M owners in Europe have Faiv Hoogars like yourself which by all reports work very well.
The Delites have had an overall weight limit of 140kg but some with the same frames have had a limit of 160kg with the only things different being the seat/post, handlebars/stem & pedals. To be approved by strict German speed cycle laws.
 

BBassett

Active Member
I have https://www.thule.com/en-au/bike-accessories/rear-bike-racks/thule-tour-rack-_-100090 which is not ideal but works.
Many R&M owners in Europe have Faiv Hoogars like yourself which by all reports work very well.
The Delites have had an overall weight limit of 140kg but some with the same frames have had a limit of 160kg with the only things different being the seat/post, handlebars/stem & pedals. To be approved by strict German speed cycle laws.
I see them (the Delite series) as up-scale commuter bikes in a world with lots of bikes. When the emphases is placed on a full suspension for the purpose of carrying gear you can get an amazing ride. The Thule racks are some of the best I have heard. Just like with anything "bolt-on" I'm sure you have to keep an eye on them. It's nice not having to worry about that aspect with my bike. The Hoogar is really nice when stepping off something curb height when fully loaded and not get any bounce on the front panniers, very smooth and controlled. Not soft by any means but not harsh at all. She's a completely different bike than when partially stripped down and wildly different than when nude. I lived in Germany for 15 years and owned 3 cars during that time, 79 VW Passet, 85 Saab 900T (new), and finished with a 93 Nissan Maxima (new) that was shipped back to the states with me. I drove the s*it out of all of them on the Autobahn with virtually unrestricted speed limits. It's odd that they have such drastic limits on an ebikes.