FYI the Falcon is 120mm travel. But if that works then go for it. But you can get 150mm bikes for less money.
It’s in their video, think claim is ~May?I didn’t know they had gone public yet. I think they are still 2-4 months from having them available. I think this is going to be a great summer. Definitely saving me money
Thx!Sorry I didn’t notice your request. The EMTB mode worked great. I stayed in it for most of the ride. not jerky or to much power. The Turbo mode gave more cadence support if it was not too steep
Please post once you do. This is something that could be a viable future software/firmware upgrade for Archon/Innotrace/Ludi/<next> at some point. I’ve got access to my wife’s Bosch but it’s gen3 and no mtb so really curious to know what they’re doing to determine power output and how ‘smart’ it actually is…Oh.....it sounds like I might be missing the boat. I have only tried EMTB for a few minutes on my Scott bike. I'll put some more riding time in on that mode and see if it has benefits I just didn't think to notice.
I really like the M600. I’m just not that fan of Luna and the current X2 build. The one that was offered on Black Friday was decent spec but the current X2 is not that great. If I bought one I would literally have to change out all the major components. The aftermarket controller they have is a definite step up from the previous Ludacris however it is still internal and being that these are smaller motors they can generate a lot of heat so I’m waiting for a bike with an external controller.
Luckily I don’t think I’ll have to wait too long. I know 2 manufacturers that are working on higher spec M600 FS with the external controllers. I guessing 4-6 months. Who ever can bring it to market first gets my order. I have seen one manufacturer‘s preliminary drawings that made me very excited, I’m sorry I can’t share them yet. I’m really hoping they will be able to make it happen.
The Z1 doesn’t excite me at all. I have a Frey with the standard Bafang controller and it is a dog compared to the Innotrace. Although it is not the new Uart
My wife wants us to ride at China Camp this week. Can only take a class 2 bike there so Scott bike goes - Hydra stays home. I'll look forward to testing EMTB mode to see how it feels/performs. Will report back rtp.Please post once you do. This is something that could be a viable future software/firmware upgrade for Archon/Innotrace/Ludi/<next> at some point. I’ve got access to my wife’s Bosch but it’s gen3 and no mtb so really curious to know what they’re doing to determine power output and how ‘smart’ it actually is…
Maybe it is, but various reading (no experience thus the interest) sure makes it sound like it's more of a 'dynamic' mode that attempts to match power to the need, more than the simpler PAS 'max power of X' type of behavior.I thought it was just a different name for 3rd level of assist out of 4 levels.
Ok thanks - seems like just another 'in between' power level then, like 'sport' was replaced with 'emtb' but no real behavior difference. Thanks!A quick post before we ride today. On my Scott Genius 900 the EMTB mode gives less power assist than TURBO mode, that's easy to tell. Seperately it feels like it is at a slightly higher torque assist setting than TURBO.
Riding and switching between the two I can tell that I have to push harder going uphill to keep getting added power in EMTB. Then in TURBO I could almost cadence pedal.....but not really.
I couldn't tell/feel any other difference.
EMTB is wonderful, imho. i have used it on my Powerfly 9 on my local trails and find it fantastic because it greatly reduces both shifting and power level adjustments. it almost eliminates them entirely. this makes it a more enjoyable ride for me so i can keep up a good pace regardless of the elevation changes and don't have to deal with over assist on the flats of downs. i like it so much i'd like to have it on my Allant+8S. i would gladly trade the Tour mode for it. timOk thanks - seems like just another 'in between' power level then, like 'sport' was replaced with 'emtb' but no real behavior difference. Thanks!