I think I've officially over-researched. Too many options. Too many conflicting opinions.

Taylor57

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I just noticed the prices of Sports and Flows have gone up from 1299 to 1469 here lately. Boy, that Black Friday deal for 1049 is sure looking good today! IMO, the Ride 1 up and Sport are very comparable component wise and now price wise. When the Sport was on sale, it was a no brainer between the 2. I will say, the 700 looks pretty sweet. Does Ride 1 Up make a step thru comparable to the Flow?
 

BigAl52

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Well I went out of budget and ordered a Bolton Sabre. One reason I did it was customer service. I sincerely believe Kyle at Bolton will stand behind what he sells. I like his reviews on Youtube and the Sabre looks like a great bike.
 

GenXrider

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I just noticed the prices of Sports and Flows have gone up from 1299 to 1469 here lately. Boy, that Black Friday deal for 1049 is sure looking good today! IMO, the Ride 1 up and Sport are very comparable component wise and now price wise. When the Sport was on sale, it was a no brainer between the 2. I will say, the 700 looks pretty sweet. Does Ride 1 Up make a step thru comparable to the Flow?
I don't know if there's clearance to put wider tires on the Sport. And the smallest cog on the cassette is 12T rather than an 11T. The 11T on the 700 is closer to the top gear ratio of my Trek standard bike, yet still lower because of my bike's larger chainring. There's a pretty significant change when I switch from the 11T to the 12T cog while riding, so I would hate to give up the 11T. Plus, I actually prefer the look of the 700. But it was those configurable assist levels that first got my attention because I ride for exercise, and I want to be able to really minimize the assist on flats and otherwise tweak those settings to my preferences. Small changes could make all the difference to me.

Yes, you can see the step-thru of the different models right on the Ride1Up website.

You can also get a spare 14 aHr battery from Ride1Up for under $400. I remember the Trek I looked at was over $1000 for an extra battery & parts needed. Juiced sells a battery for $1300 (more aHr, but damn.)
 
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McCorby

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You can also get a spare 14 aHr battery from Ride1Up for under $400. I remember the Trek I looked at was over $1000 for an extra battery & parts needed. Juiced sells a battery for $1300 (more aHr, but damn.)
Does the $400 battery have a bms with active balancing?
 

GenXrider

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Does the $400 battery have a bms with active balancing?
No, $389 and $30 charger. 52 Samsung 18650 cells in a 4p13s arrangement.

Despite the low price and following the Ride1Up group closely over the last year, I've not seen a single report of a battery failure or problem on the Ride1Up bikes, nor any complaints about a drop off in range. Most people don't buy a second battery, but it's nice to know you can add a second one for low cost in addition to the savings on the original purchase of the bike.
 
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My big thing about these inexpensive bikes is that things like favored tire sizes, freewheel gears, all of that, are easily changed, very affordably, to make it "your" bike. For instance, I can tell you before I even get our Flow, that if I don't like the OEM controller, for any reason, and can't figure out how to fix it, it's out of there without a second thought. I did that to our Rad when it was 3 weeks old and had 75 miles on it. Replaced all of the bike's electrical, using just the battery over again! I couldn't STAND that controller with the "soft start".

I refuse to consider the R1U 700 out of a protest for that kick stand placement. Call it a Pet Peeve of mine! If common sense won't allow the change to the rear (after several production runs now), maybe people boycotting the bike will get the change made. I like the bike otherwise....

We have a ton of miles on our Rad City with it's original battery - even with the big MAC 12t motor installed. Still no noticeable decrease in power or range at 3.5 years. I'm not real concerned about the "economy bike" batteries as long as they're built using name brand cells. -Al
 

vita10gy

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I just noticed the prices of Sports and Flows have gone up from 1299 to 1469 here lately. Boy, that Black Friday deal for 1049 is sure looking good today! IMO, the Ride 1 up and Sport are very comparable component wise and now price wise. When the Sport was on sale, it was a no brainer between the 2. I will say, the 700 looks pretty sweet. Does Ride 1 Up make a step thru comparable to the Flow?

If it makes you feel any better, one of the things that's been the most confusing about comparison shopping, and Espin seems to be among the "worst" at it, is there's not always "versioning" of the bikes. The Flow especially doesn't seem to be the same bike as not *that* long ago. Reviews from just a couple months ago talk about how it has a weaker motor than the sport and no hydraulic breaks, etc, and it seems to not be the case anymore.
 

GenXrider

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I refuse to consider the R1U 700 out of a protest for that kick stand placement. Call it a Pet Peeve of mine! If common sense won't allow the change to the rear (after several production runs now), maybe people boycotting the bike will get the change made. I like the bike otherwise....
The kickstand doesn't bother me because that's how my bikes almost always have been, including my current 14 year old Trek hybrid, so I'm used to it and haven't had any problems. One of the other bikes that I had 14 years ago had the kickstand mounted further back, and I didn't even realize at the time I owned it why that was - just thought it was odd. So, I see the advantage now, but it's not a show stopper for me.

Despite the higher top gear on the Ride1Up compared to the Espin, I still see comments from time to time about people putting on a 48T or 52T chainring to increase it further. 48T with a 11T rear cog would match my standard Trek's top gear.
 

GenXrider

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If it makes you feel any better, one of the things that's been the most confusing about comparison shopping, and Espin seems to be among the "worst" at it, is there's not always "versioning" of the bikes. The Flow especially doesn't seem to be the same bike as not *that* long ago. Reviews from just a couple months ago talk about how it has a weaker motor than the sport and no hydraulic breaks, etc, and it seems to not be the case anymore.
Ride1Up has made changes also. Some previous gen bikes are even missing the configurable power settings that first got me interested in them. Sometimes they will have different tires, brakes, derailleur, adjustable stem, cruise control vs. walk assist, controller (or software), display, etc. vs. a previous shipment.
 
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vita10gy

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Ride1Up has made changes also. Some previous gen bikes are even missing the configurable power settings that first got me interested in them. Sometimes they will have different tires, brakes, derailleur, adjustable stem, cruise control vs. walk assist, controller (or software), display, etc. vs. a previous shipment.
Sure. They all do. I just meant I saw a good deal of "it's hard to pull the trigger on ordering one of these knowing how cheap I could have had one not that long ago", but it's important to note that a lot of the times you're not comparing apples to apples. The Flow even looks like it's a whole different frame. So it's a different frame, motor, brakes, etc, etc from just last year (maybe even pretty late last year). So yeah, the price changed, but it's barely the same bike anymore. I don't know if these changes are worth $200-$500, that might STILL have been a great deal, but still.

In a lot of ways it looks like Black Friday deals for these companies were like a car dealership dumping last years' model.
 

Taylor57

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Sure. They all do. I just meant I saw a good deal of "it's hard to pull the trigger on ordering one of these knowing how cheap I could have had one not that long ago", but it's important to note that a lot of the times you're not comparing apples to apples. The Flow even looks like it's a whole different frame. So it's a different frame, motor, brakes, etc, etc from just last year (maybe even pretty late last year). So yeah, the price changed, but it's barely the same bike anymore. I don't know if these changes are worth $200-$500, that might STILL have been a great deal, but still.

In a lot of ways it looks like Black Friday deals for these companies were like a car dealership dumping last years' model.

Caveat emptor!
 

GenXrider

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In a lot of ways it looks like Black Friday deals for these companies were like a car dealership dumping last years' model.
Ride1Up discounted about $100 on everything, even $200 on some which the owner said he had more inventory on hand. The only significant change I know of that's coming on their existing models is that the LMTD will be changing to a cadence PAS, but even that hasn't happened, yet. Their new mid-drive models won't be available until later in the year. I just didn't want to be messing with getting a bike heading into the coldest months of the year when I wouldn't be riding for months. But I know I don't want to wait too long and miss the boat again like last year, when I didn't really start looking until late May.
 
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GenXrider

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I refuse to consider the R1U 700 out of a protest for that kick stand placement. Call it a Pet Peeve of mine! If common sense won't allow the change to the rear (after several production runs now), maybe people boycotting the bike will get the change made. I like the bike otherwise....

Here's a 700 with a kickstand mounted to the rear.

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BET

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If it makes you feel any better, one of the things that's been the most confusing about comparison shopping, and Espin seems to be among the "worst" at it, is there's not always "versioning" of the bikes. The Flow especially doesn't seem to be the same bike as not *that* long ago. Reviews from just a couple months ago talk about how it has a weaker motor than the sport and no hydraulic breaks, etc, and it seems to not be the case anymore.
I think Ride1up is the worst on versioning. I can understand when companies have to substitute some components because of a shortage, ie shimano or Kenda. However Ride1up frequently tweaks bikes with no notice, especially when it comes to the controllers. For example, they shipped bikes with limited use of throtle when simultaneously using PAS. When customers complained they changed it and offered customers some kind of software fix. We did not bother. With Espin the issue is they upgrade model but do not update description on website. If you have qustions e mail Espin and they will respond. I second the Flow. If you want a step thru folder with 20 inch fat tires, the new Espin Nesta looks nice. A hundred dollars less than the Sport or Flow, 750 w motor, suspension fork, hydraulic brakes, etc. However heavier than Sport or Flow due to fatter tires and larger motor. Personally, I would go with the lighter Flow.
 
I think you can try X-52 from Ariel Rider. My comments will be based on 48V version so you can just make assumption that 52V version will be faster and better.

- It has CST anti puncture fat tire.
- It has 2 USB port. One on display and one on battery
- Top speed is 31 mph ( I assume 52V version will reach 33-34 mph on throttle).
- Dual Suspension which will make your ride very comfortable.
- You can have single or dual seat option and it has standard foot peg.

 
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AHicks

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Here's a 700 with a kickstand mounted to the rear.

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Not sure of the vintage of that picture? Would be nice if they had finally wised up. If that's the case though, they need to change the pics on their web site - that still show it forward.
 

GenXrider

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Not sure of the vintage of that picture? Would be nice if they had finally wised up. If that's the case though, they need to change the pics on their web site - that still show it forward.
Looks like it was a new purchase - they were mentioning just picking it up from the shop and taking their first ride.

I definitely wouldn't assume that I was getting one with that configuration if I just ordered without looking further into it.
 

GenXrider

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Not sure of the vintage of that picture? Would be nice if they had finally wised up. If that's the case though, they need to change the pics on their web site - that still show it forward.
Today, 3 pictures of 700 XR's were posted (on FB) with the kickstand mounted to the rear, representing both colors. Until today, I had only seen the ST version of the 700 with the rear mounted kickstand. Here are two of the new photos. But looking back, I found I had missed a couple photos of XR's in early February with the stand mounted toward the rear - taken from the opposite side of the bike, so it wouldn't have jumped out at me as easily if I had seen them.

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BET

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If it makes you feel any better, one of the things that's been the most confusing about comparison shopping, and Espin seems to be among the "worst" at it, is there's not always "versioning" of the bikes. The Flow especially doesn't seem to be the same bike as not *that* long ago. Reviews from just a couple months ago talk about how it has a weaker motor than the sport and no hydraulic breaks, etc, and it seems to not be the case anymore.
They did change the Flow but it always had hydraulic brakes. 2021 versions of Sport and Flow are different than 2020. Ride1up did this too but each shipment seemed changed. Some changes due to scarcity of bike components.
 

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Actually the big bike brands seem to switch the specs around too. There are threads in the Specialized forum about different firmware and gearing changes midyear and annual model changes from class 1 or class 3.