Is it possible to have: class 3, mid drive, belt drive, torque sensor, with throttle, under $4000?

AHicks

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Why do you want class 3? You'll need to get a driver's license and insurance.
That's a new one. Not saying it's not true, but I hadn't heard that! Is that something that's local to your location, or all of Canada?
 

JRA

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They don't have the Class regulations in CA as we do in some states here in the U.S. and have never heard of needing a drivers license and insurance unless it is for a moped class which also includes registration aka a license plate.
 

EvolutionMonkey

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That's a new one. Not saying it's not true, but I hadn't heard that! Is that something that's local to your location, or all of Canada?
I am from Canada too, it's true we don't have a class system, however it's also true that if you have more than 500 watts, and above 32 km/hr. set on your ebike you are then considered to have a motor vehicle,which iis equal to the same as class 3 in some U.S states. In any case you would need a drivers license and insurance, which I personally think is stupid as 32km/hr is not very fast. I think Canada needs to change it to 40-50 km/hr. on road and at least 60 km/hr off road.
 

PedalUma

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Petaluma, CA
Only even numbered classes of bikes have throttles. There are three classes. The first two can go up to 20 Mph with assistance. The third and final class can go more than 20 but less than 28.00000001. Throttle bikes are like the red ace in three card monte. Don't get confused. Only class 2 has a throttle and it goes less than or up to 20 then takes a crap.
 
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Rexlion

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Tulsa metro
Only even numbered classes of bikes have throttles. There are three classes. The first two can go up to 20 Mph with assistance. The third and final class can go more than 20 but less than 28.00000001. Throttle bikes are like the red ace in three card monte. Don't get confused. Only class 2 has a throttle and it goes less than or up to 20 than takes a crap.
If you mean the throttle can only take the bike up to 20 mph, you're right. But it still can be class 3 and go faster on PAS.

My Ride1Up LMTD has a throttle and is class 3 (actually it can be set as high as 31 mph), but it's a hub rather than mid drive.

The Serfas eDash Plus is mid drive, class 3, with throttle.
 

Tozguy

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I find the throttle very handy when you have to thread your way through gates on bike paths. I stop peddling and only feather the throttle to slalom around the gates. The PAS is too jumpy at slow speed.
 

m@Robertson

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Ebikes have throttles because some people want them and like the extra tool in the toolbox. Thats just the way it is. The throttle has no bearing on losing your physical fitness. That resides solely with your brain.
 

PedalUma

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I do a trick. I bypass the handlebar and put the accelerator in the foot, like a Tesla. Push Foot and Go. It is a thing called a Torque Sensor. It is legal. It works great. This is what they look like. These surpass 'throttle' bikes while not looking too ugly. Zoom for details, l if you want to see. Better electric bikes are not clunky and do not have wires or connectors. Clean pure performance.
 

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opimax

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And how does this answer the op’s question? 3rd time same thread same answer , has this helped find a bike?
 

PedalUma

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And how does this answer the op’s question? 3rd time same thread same answer , has this helped find a bike?
Does he want a class two bike that by definition has a throttle or a class three bike that definition does not have a throttle? This is like that Bee Gee's song More Than A Woman. If it has more dangly bits than a woman, than it is not a woman.
 

m@Robertson

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To normal people without an axe to grind, Class 3 means '28 mph' and thats it. Anything more is just preaching to the choir (i.e. wasting the OP's time by deliberately avoiding his question and instead getting up on a soapbox and delivering a favorite sermon).

Look at the other thread he put up on this identical topic a few months prior. He wants a speed of at least 25 mph and he wants a throttle.

Who can post and actually help the OP answer his question for the bike he wants vs the bike someone else wants him to ask for?
 
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c2Crusher

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Canada
Yes, totally! and we have a few prototypes like that
750W Mid-drive ✅
Torque sensor - ✅
Top speed of 28mph - ✅
Large 960Whr battery ✅
Throttle ✅
AIR suspension ✅
powerful hydraulic brakes ✅
Gates belt drive ✅
Enviolo Heavy Duty CVT hub ✅
Integrated lights, fenders, and racks ✅
27.5" wheels with Schwalbe Super Moto-X tires ✅
Cost $3999 USD ✅
UL - certification of batteries. We are working on that. Offering high-quality batteries (warrantied for 4 years) is important.
We have a few prototypes, and if there is enough interest, we will bring this to the market.

We think a lot about offering a long lifetime/warranty on motors, batteries, and every other component. It is for this reason our flagship model will be Bosch-based. Currently, Bosch has 1000+ dealers across the nation. Excellent quality when it comes to motors and electronics and so are the service and longer parts availability. Building a bike that OP is requesting is not hard but having a long-term plan for support and warranty takes lots of meticulous work from the OEM. I know many companies are selling Bafang M620 motor-equipped bikes for $4K or $5K.
I am curious to hear some knowledgeable comments from readers of this forum on the bike spec highlighted by OP and shown below.


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@Ravi Kempaiah
Zen e-bikes

The bike specs highlighted by the OP are of great interest to me.
It is almost exactly what I am looking for in a new (my first) e-bike.
I'm sure I'm not alone.

I have been on this and other forum sites researching and performing my due diligence on
e-bike companies, components, batteries/BMS, assembly processes, warrantees and customer support
both pre and post purchase and the people that stand behind the various e-bike companies.

Any company can slap together bike parts to produce a bike.
But much thought, consideration and logistics have to come together to
select quality components that will work together, synergistically to provide the end
consumer with a reliable and exhilarating riding experience.

By the looks of it, Ravi's described prototype (above) seems to check all the boxes
for what, I am looking for.
I also like Zen's concept of "Base" and "premium" versions
A Good-Better-Best strategy creating optionality for the consumer.

The following would be a few upgrades I would love to see on this bike.
  • Kindernay VII IGH
  • Schwalbe Johnny Watts tires
  • Magura 4-piston hydraulic brakes
  • FOX air suspension fork
  • Kinekt suspension seatpost
  • Size availability S-M-L-XL
  • Highest quality "Zen" branded battery system and interactive display.
I know this is only a prototype at this stage.
However an e-bike spec'd out like this, in my opinion could be a huge success.

I for one, hope this comes to fruition!
 

Cstefan

Member
Region
USA
City
Seattle, WA
@Ravi Kempaiah
Zen e-bikes

The bike specs highlighted by the OP are of great interest to me.
It is almost exactly what I am looking for in a new (my first) e-bike.
I'm sure I'm not alone.

I have been on this and other forum sites researching and performing my due diligence on
e-bike companies, components, batteries/BMS, assembly processes, warrantees and customer support
both pre and post purchase and the people that stand behind the various e-bike companies.

Any company can slap together bike parts to produce a bike.
But much thought, consideration and logistics have to come together to
select quality components that will work together, synergistically to provide the end
consumer with a reliable and exhilarating riding experience.

By the looks of it, Ravi's described prototype (above) seems to check all the boxes
for what, I am looking for.
I also like Zen's concept of "Base" and "premium" versions
A Good-Better-Best strategy creating optionality for the consumer.

The following would be a few upgrades I would love to see on this bike.
  • Kindernay VII IGH
  • Schwalbe Johnny Watts tires
  • Magura 4-piston hydraulic brakes
  • FOX air suspension fork
  • Kinekt suspension seatpost
  • Size availability S-M-L-XL
  • Highest quality "Zen" branded battery system and interactive display.
I know this is only a prototype at this stage.
However an e-bike spec'd out like this, in my opinion could be a huge success.

I for one, hope this comes to fruition!
The only things I’ve seen speced like that are the WattWagons offerings. OTOH those are 2-3x a $4k price point.
 

AHicks

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USA
City
Snow Bird - Summer S.E. Michigan, Winter Gulf Coast North Central Fl.
This is over budget, but nothing too dramatic. Customer support is over the top...