Looking ahead to the future purchasing of a quality ebike for commuting and fun all seasons

Nomad

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So let me start off with that currently I am running a GT outpost trail(non ebike) with studded tires.The truth is regardless of weather pretty much unless the town shuts down I'm pedaling to work at 3am. Here are some of my thoughts thus far. One not that this in any particular order is I'm staying away from bikes that don't come in different frame sizes. I'm looking at mostly mid drives and am not interested in kit bikes. As far as types I'm thinking mountain, trekking and bikes like the fatsix not fat bikes like the rad. Also want it to have a in frame or partially intergrated battery. It would be nice if the assist was up to 28 mph but 20 isn't a deal breaker. I've set a max price of 3,000 but would like to pay less of course. Also I'm not against a tiptop shapped used for the right price. One thing i've notice is that prices are different for the same bike at different places and I'm not just talking a low end bike or a difference of less fifty bucks. So that being said I was hoping a descussion would ensue that would be benificial to all involved
 

Stefan Mikes

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Hmm... Three thousand bucks is not very much for a quality e-bike.
I have found this for the price:
  • Renowned European brand
  • Known store
  • Full suspension, making it ideal for off-road
  • Ultra-quiet and torquey Brose motor
  • Good battery capacity
  • Very good components
  • Restricted to 20 mph
  • Excellent price vs value
The point is that's the offer available now, not in the future. Normally, these e-bikes are priced at $4,600.
 
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Nomad

Member
Hmm... Three thousand bucks is not very much for a quality e-bike.
I have found this for the price:
  • Renowned European brand
  • Known store
  • Full suspension, making it ideal for off-road
  • Ultra-quiet and torquey Brose motor
  • Good battery capacity
  • Very good components
  • Restricted to 20 mph
  • Excellent price vs value
The point is that's the offer available now, not in the future. Normally, these e-bikes are priced at $4,600.
I'll add that to my short list the giant fathom e+3 is on my list as well as some hiabikes
 

Stefan Mikes

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Haibike are very OK e-bikes with wide price range depending on bike purpose and specifications. Regarding Giant, check the available battery capacity.
 

Rick53

Active Member
Hmm... Three thousand bucks is not very much for a quality e-bike.
I have found this for the price:
  • Renowned European brand
  • Known store
  • Full suspension, making it ideal for off-road
  • Ultra-quiet and torquey Brose motor
  • Good battery capacity
  • Very good components
  • Restricted to 20 mph
  • Excellent price vs value
The point is that's the offer available now, not in the future. Normally, these e-bikes are priced at $4,600.
Couldn't he get a Vado 3 or Vado 1 for that Money ? Or Treks New Allaint 7 s Class 3 ? Those are quality : Why do you need a USB Port and all that other garbage ? ;)
 

Johnny

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Couldn't he get a Vado 3 or Vado 1 for that Money ? Or Treks New Allaint 7 s Class 3 ? Those are quality : Why do you need a USB Port and all that other garbage ? ;)
You should have some knowledge before you have an idea.

The bike you call garbage is a FS bike with Yari front frok, Brose motor , 600wh battery from a well known company. The bicycles you mentioned are well below this one in terms of quality of components.
 

Browneye

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I'm talking about the 375 Wh battery in Giant as opposed to the 600 Wh battery in BH. To be very precise.
Hmmm...AFAIK the yamaha/giant packs are 400 and 500w - they are 36v systems.
On level three my range is likely near or greater than 60 miles at 18-19mph, on the 400 watt pack.
 

Nomad

Member
Hmmm...AFAIK the yamaha/giant packs are 400 and 500w - they are 36v systems.
On level three my range is likely near or greater than 60 miles at 18-19mph, on the 400 watt pack.
The fathom+3 has the 500 or at least the one I was looking at was.
 

Stefan Mikes

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That is still not too much nowadays, Ah, well, it is me who needs significant battery range but I'm telling you even 600 Wh for a speed bike is not too much. Having Vado 5 with the 604 Wh battery I should know better. However, the range depends on the speed, so if you opt for the 20 mph version, 500 Wh will do for some 50 miles.
 

Nomad

Member
So just thought I'd chime in again with regards to my future ebike purchase. As some one stated it's it future purchase so a deal hear today gone tomorrow doesn't work and I would caution anybody regarding that kind of a deal. That being said that doesn't mean that deals like that are bad. Part of why I started this thread was examine things like componentry levels different quality brands etc. Another thing one should consider even when purchasing entry level bikes is it a good frame? Can one upgrade components in the future and truely have a bike that is a level or a few up or is just good compontent on a sub-bar frame or is the geometry wrong? Does this site have place where Shimone and Sram different levels of compontants are discussed and defined? I was reading in here about a compasrision chart of the bosch motors and others and it favored the bosch but, the number don't tell the whole story one could say they're misleading. I like that somethings where mentioned about other motors decoupling better or fully and some just made there power differently. Would love to see more on things like that.
 

Browneye

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IMO, whatever you buy today will be completely obsolete in five years. Buy, ride, enjoy, rinse, repeat.
I think the interest level is accellerating at an unbelievable pace. Everybody we talk to in our travels is either thinking about one or just got one. Simply amazing. It's going to transform the bicycle industry if it hasn't already.
 
IMO, whatever you buy today will be completely obsolete in five years. Buy, ride, enjoy, rinse, repeat.
I think the interest level is accellerating at an unbelievable pace. Everybody we talk to in our travels is either thinking about one or just got one. Simply amazing. It's going to transform the bicycle industry if it hasn't already.
This reply is right on.
 

Marci jo

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IMO, whatever you buy today will be completely obsolete in five years. Buy, ride, enjoy, rinse, repeat.
I think the interest level is accellerating at an unbelievable pace. Everybody we talk to in our travels is either thinking about one or just got one. Simply amazing. It's going to transform the bicycle industry if it hasn't already.
Well said Browneye.
These ebikes are like computers. Every couple years something “better” gets added to the market place. I expect both my ebikes to be obsolete within five years.
 

pxpaulx

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IMO, whatever you buy today will be completely obsolete in five years. Buy, ride, enjoy, rinse, repeat.
I think the interest level is accellerating at an unbelievable pace. Everybody we talk to in our travels is either thinking about one or just got one. Simply amazing. It's going to transform the bicycle industry if it hasn't already.
I've been around here for a good 5 years or so - I would say the bikes out now that are in the 700wh range from the major brands - those started to hit market in the US around spring 2017 - 3 years on, and that is still more power than most need for 90% of their bike use. There are the niche sellers that are higher powered and selling with batteries approaching 1kWH - that will likely be the next big step. Adoption at this point particularly in the US is only being held back by most people's view of bikes as recreational toys. I'd say we are probably the better part of a decade away from the adoption other markets (Europe in particular) are seeing. I guess I'm just trying to point out that the tech (battery) is already very close to meeting most people's needs, it is just a matter of changing perceptions that is the final hurdle.

Also want to note - I keep seeing BH referred to as if it is an unknown quantity/brand - everyone who thinks this just needs to look at the European market to realize it is a top tier product (not to mention registering on their site gives you lifetime frame warranty and 5yr parts/2yr battery as well). Forks/Shocks/Drivetrain are all comparable across brands, no different with BH/Haibike/Bulls vs Spec/Trek/Giant - the latter of which (outside of Spec) are really actually late to the US market compared to some of the Euro brands that have been selling for the better part of a decade at this point.

For BH, the ATOM X line frame is an in-house, brand specific design (if you check their Euro site that frame comprises a significant amount of their newer 2020 lineup) - I'm pretty sure you don't do that sort of thing unless you are a big player in the market. Compare that with say Rad Power Bikes - somehow they have become the largest US based ebike maker, pushing parts-bin bikes from China. If you compare their specs at $1,500 to what Lenny's is selling from BH at $1800-2500, you'd be picking BH all day long - all you have to do is ride those bikes side by side (...I have owned both!).
 

Rick53

Active Member
I've been around here for a good 5 years or so - I would say the bikes out now that are in the 700wh range from the major brands - those started to hit market in the US around spring 2017 - 3 years on, and that is still more power than most need for 90% of their bike use. There are the niche sellers that are higher powered and selling with batteries approaching 1kWH - that will likely be the next big step. Adoption at this point particularly in the US is only being held back by most people's view of bikes as recreational toys. I'd say we are probably the better part of a decade away from the adoption other markets (Europe in particular) are seeing. I guess I'm just trying to point out that the tech (battery) is already very close to meeting most people's needs, it is just a matter of changing perceptions that is the final hurdle.

Also want to note - I keep seeing BH referred to as if it is an unknown quantity/brand - everyone who thinks this just needs to look at the European market to realize it is a top tier product (not to mention registering on their site gives you lifetime frame warranty and 5yr parts/2yr battery as well). Forks/Shocks/Drivetrain are all comparable across brands, no different with BH/Haibike/Bulls vs Spec/Trek/Giant - the latter of which (outside of Spec) are really actually late to the US market compared to some of the Euro brands that have been selling for the better part of a decade at this point.

For BH, the ATOM X line frame is an in-house, brand specific design (if you check their Euro site that frame comprises a significant amount of their newer 2020 lineup) - I'm pretty sure you don't do that sort of thing unless you are a big player in the market. Compare that with say Rad Power Bikes - somehow they have become the largest US based ebike maker, pushing parts-bin bikes from China. If you compare their specs at $1,500 to what Lenny's is selling from BH at $1800-2500, you'd be picking BH all day long - all you have to do is ride those bikes side by side (...I have owned both!).
Does BH make a Hard Tail or Even have a class 3
 

Stefan Mikes

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Does BH make a Hard Tail or Even have a class 3
Rebel, Atom, AtomX are names of hardtail BH models. Currently, BH doesn't make any Class 3 e-bikes. It is important to add BH uses different motor brands, for example Brose and Yamaha. They also use so called BH motors, best to be avoided.