Looking ahead to the future purchasing of a quality ebike for commuting and fun all seasons

pxpaulx

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Rebel, Atom, AtomX are names of hardtail BH models. Currently, BH doesn't make any Class 3 e-bikes. It is important to add BH uses different motor brands, for example Brose and Yamaha. They also use so called BH motors, best to be avoided.

they do have one class 3 model in the us, the evo city nitro. lots more in their euro lineup, but i guess they don't see a market here for class 3 mtbs.

I'm curious what would make you put down their hub motor bikes? i have one and have had zero issues, and never heard of any common or repetitive issues with their hub motor bikes.
 

Stefan Mikes

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they do have one class 3 model in the us, the evo city nitro. lots more in their euro lineup, but i guess they don't see a market here for class 3 mtbs.
That is an older model, not produced anymore. Please show me at least one Class 3 model on the European website of BH. BH also make city and commuter e-bikes, all restricted to Class 1.


I'm curious what would make you put down their hub motor bikes? i have one and have had zero issues, and never heard of any common or repetitive issues with their hub motor bikes.
It is probably the company's decision to go with big brand motors such as Brose and Yamaha. They also seem to have perceived the mid-drive motors are the right way to go. The exception to the "big brand" rule are some BH e-bikes equipped with the BH branded motors. They offer some e-bikes with rear hub motor such as Evo Cross, again, BH branded motor.
 
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pxpaulx

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That is an older model, not produced anymore. Please show me at least one Class 3 model on the European website of BH. BH also make city and commuter e-bikes, all restricted to Class 1.




It is probably the company's decision to go with big brand motors such as Brose and Yamaha. They also seem to have perceived the mid-drive motors are the right way to go. The exception to the "big brand" rule are some BH e-bikes equipped with the BH branded motors. They offer some e-bikes with rear hub motor such as Evo Cross, again, BH branded motor.
Wow, I know they used to have them but it appears you are correct, no S-pedelecs to be found on their current Euro bike page! When I glanced through their models I'd assumed those marked with 'S' or 'jet' might have been 28mph bikes, but that doesn't appear to be the case.

They have definitely embraced the Atom X top tube battery frame aesthetic, between those models and the gravel/road bikes there aren't too many with the older straight lower tube battery, and just a handful of yamahas (which I appreciate they have stuck with the standard yamaha battery pack design). Only the urban bikes section seems to be frames/motors/batteries of many types and styles.

It will be interesting to see when and what they bring to the US market in the near future.
 

Nomad

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IMO, whatever you buy today will be completely obsolete in five years. Buy, ride, enjoy, rinse, repeat.
I think the interest level is accellerating at an unbelievable pace. Everybody we talk to in our travels is either thinking about one or just got one. Simply amazing. It's going to transform the bicycle industry if it hasn't already.
While I get where your coming from I have to say I some what disgree the whole completely obsolete thing and then there's the whole planned obsolescence don't even get me started on that 🙄
 

Nomad

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I've been around here for a good 5 years or so - I would say the bikes out now that are in the 700wh range from the major brands - those started to hit market in the US around spring 2017 - 3 years on, and that is still more power than most need for 90% of their bike use. There are the niche sellers that are higher powered and selling with batteries approaching 1kWH - that will likely be the next big step. Adoption at this point particularly in the US is only being held back by most people's view of bikes as recreational toys. I'd say we are probably the better part of a decade away from the adoption other markets (Europe in particular) are seeing. I guess I'm just trying to point out that the tech (battery) is already very close to meeting most people's needs, it is just a matter of changing perceptions that is the final hurdle.

Also want to note - I keep seeing BH referred to as if it is an unknown quantity/brand - everyone who thinks this just needs to look at the European market to realize it is a top tier product (not to mention registering on their site gives you lifetime frame warranty and 5yr parts/2yr battery as well). Forks/Shocks/Drivetrain are all comparable across brands, no different with BH/Haibike/Bulls vs Spec/Trek/Giant - the latter of which (outside of Spec) are really actually late to the US market compared to some of the Euro brands that have been selling for the better part of a decade at this point.

For BH, the ATOM X line frame is an in-house, brand specific design (if you check their Euro site that frame comprises a significant amount of their newer 2020 lineup) - I'm pretty sure you don't do that sort of thing unless you are a big player in the market. Compare that with say Rad Power Bikes - somehow they have become the largest US based ebike maker, pushing parts-bin bikes from China. If you compare their specs at $1,500 to what Lenny's is selling from BH at $1800-2500, you'd be picking BH all day long - all you have to do is ride those bikes side by side (...I have owned both!).
Good info to know
 

Browneye

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While I get where your coming from I have to say I some what disgree the whole completely obsolete thing and then there's the whole planned obsolescence don't even get me started on that 🙄
No, they're more like computer technology where advancement in engineering and design keeps improving. And why the majority of people buy a new one rather than something even a couple of years old - the new ones are just that much better.

The reason I mentioned it at all was, IIRC, because you said you weren't buying yet, that you were waiting for reasons you thought had value. The vast majority of people that bought ebikes will say they are glad they jumped in when they did - they're just so much fun. 👍 So the bottom line is if you want to ride, jump in - the water is great!!