Looking at a couple of Ebikes

Paul392

New Member
About Me:
  • Male
  • 5'10"
  • Northern Calif
  • 220
  • Semi active
  • Commute: <5 miles, The commute is on flat paved roads
  • Live in an area that ranges from 40-75 degree
  • Price up to $2-3,500
  • Use: Plan on using bike for fun, and to commute to work from April – October.
  • Bike: looking for a comfortable ride that can go 20 mph.
I've been looking at getting an ebike for a while now, and this website has had a lot of good info on it. I live a couple hundred miles north of SF and I'm going down there in a couple of weeks to test ride some ebikes. I will be going to New Wheel and trying a couple of Kalkhoff bikes, the Tasman Tour C8 Premium, and the Sahel I8. Right now there is about $100 difference between them. I also want to try out a Pedego City Commuter at another bike shop. I was interested in a couple of bikes from Evelo, but after reading and seeing the reviews here, I'm not too sure about them.

I have a mountain bike right now, and when I ride it, it doesn't take too long before my fingers start to get numb, so I think I need a bike with a fairly upright ride to reduce the pressure on my hands. I plan on running errands on the bike too, so I would be using panniers to carry groceries home. One concern I have with the Pedego bike is that there is already a lot of weight is over the back wheel (motor and battery) and adding even more weight back there could be a problem.
 

Chris Nolte

Well-Known Member
I would definitely hook up with the guys at the New Wheel, they are a top notch shop and they sell nothing but quality. We communicate with them often, being in the same industry and I trust you will be in good hands there.
 

JoePah

Well-Known Member
What a beautiful area Paul... Mild weather you can ride year round if you want.

SF and SD seem to be the most popular for the burgeoning EBike hobby, so you're in the right spot!

Don't be afraid to ride a whole bunch of bikes.. What you think may be a whole lot different than how a particular bike makes you feel when you ride it.

Stromer Elite is right in your price range and is a lot of fun to ride.. I think you might be able to score a deal on these. If you haven't ridden the EasyMotion, they get great reviews as well...

IF you're getting numb wrists or hands, and your new bike doesn't have Ergo grips, they are worth it.
 

Court

Administrator
Staff member
Hi Paul! Great to meet you and good list of bikes there. I think you're right on with the Kalkhoff bikes from New Wheel... I think they're even having a sale on some of the older bikes. Both the Tasman Tour and Sahel are wonderful to ride with efficient but strong drive systems and multiple frame sizes (so you can dial in fit).

Given your wrist pains and openness to upright riding position I'd say the Tasman Tour could be perfect. It will be great for storing groceries with that rack, safe with the lights, easy on your wrists back and neck with swept back bars and suspension fork and it's going to be easier to mount and control at stop signs given the step-through design.

Most people don't have access to these bikes in the US (yet...) but given your proximity to one of their flagship outlets and their stellar store-backed warranty I know you'll find something perfect. As Chris said, the owners are very friendly and helpful. I'd love to hear what you decide on and how it works over time!
 

Paul392

New Member
I called New Wheel and I'll be stopping by there on Friday to test ride a couple of bikes. It looks like they are out of the Tasman Tour bike, but they now have one called the Agattu that looks very similar. It lists at $100 more than the Tasman but has a few nice upgrades: it has the new Impulse 2.0 drive system that puts out 70 Nm of torque vs 40 Nm on the Tasman, plus it has a shift assist feature that cuts power to the motor for a fraction of a second when shifting gears. It also has a 15A battery vs an 11AH one and an LCD display that shows your speed, battery level, power setting and an odometer. So a few nice changes for just a little more money.

I'll be testing this one, the Sahel, and maybe a couple of other ones while I'm there. I also plan on stopping at another bike shop near there that carries the Pedego line of bikes to compare the two. From everything I've read I'm definitely leaning toward the Kalkhoff bikes, but a test ride will determine which one I will get.
 

Cory Spackman

New Member
Hi Paul -- We have a lot in common, it seems:
- I grew up in Chico, CA (about 2.5 hours north off S.F.)
- I just bought a 2014 Kalkhoff Agattu i8 from The New Wheel in S.F. -- I had it shipped here to Sun Valley, ID. It's at my local bike shop now, and I'm picking it up tomorrow. Super exciting!
- I'd planned on buying a Pedego City Commuter, but given my size (6'6"), I opted for the Agattu, as they have large frame sizes. However, my Mom and Dad want to get eBikes as well, and I think City Commuters would be perfect for them.

Since we're looking at the same bikes, I'd love to get your comparison between Kalkhoff and Pedego!
 

Paul392

New Member
Well, I went down to San Francisco and test rode a couple of e-bikes. I did purchase one, the BH Easy Motion Neo City bike. While it was not on the list of bikes I was looking at, once I test rode a few different bikes, and that is the one I liked the best.

The folks at New Wheel were great to deal with. Karen went with me to test ride their bikes. She picked a couple of streets to ride that let me see how they did going up some pretty steep hills and on some flatter roads. She did a great job coaching me on riding an E-bike, I kept wanting to power up the hills, but she would have me down shift and let the bike do more of the work. She rode a different bike so we could swap out and I could compare the two. I rode the Kalkhoff Agattu, the BH Neo Jet and the BH Neo City.

The Agattu was a really nice bike, it had lots of torque, was easy to shift both at a standstill, due to the internal gear hub, and while climbing, due the motor shift cutout. If I lived somewhere as hilly as San Francisco, that is probably the one I would have gotten.

Next I rode the BH Neo Jet. It had less torque than the Agattu, but I could still ride up the hills there, I just had to pedal a little harder. It also felt a little faster on the flats, but maybe that was just my impression of it.

Finally I rode the BH Neo City. I liked the more upright posture while riding compared to the Neo Jet. . I could see that it would put less pressure on my hands, which should help with the tingling problem I have with my hands. It had plenty of power, like the Neo Jet, and was ready to go for commuting with fenders, lights, and a rear rack. The fact that is was around $900.00 less than the Agattu was nice as well.

After that I went to a different bike shop and tried the Pedego City Commuter. It had a fairly decent upright posture, and plenty of power, and like the Neo City, it was ready to go for commuting. However, even though the specs say that it weighs almost the same as the Neo City, it felt heavier to me. I think the biggest thing I didn’t like was the Pedelec sensor type of assist. It just didn’t feel as smooth as the torque sensing type of bike. With the torque sensor, the harder you push, the more it assists, so it feels very natural. With the pedelec sensor, as soon as you turn the crank a little bit, the motor kicks in and it pushes you forward. It just didn’t feel very normal to me; it kind of felt like you got a big push from behind. I imagine over time you would get used to it, but I preferred the torque sensor more.

So I called New Wheel up and let them know that I wanted to get the Neo City bike, and they pulled a new one from their storage, and got it all set up for me to pick up. They were great to work with; they spent plenty of time with me to make sure I got the right bike for me. I highly recommend them.
 

Ravi Kempaiah

Well-Known Member
Hi Paul -- We have a lot in common, it seems:
- I grew up in Chico, CA (about 2.5 hours north off S.F.)
- I just bought a 2014 Kalkhoff Agattu i8 from The New Wheel in S.F. -- I had it shipped here to Sun Valley, ID. It's at my local bike shop now, and I'm picking it up tomorrow. Super exciting!
- I'd planned on buying a Pedego City Commuter, but given my size (6'6"), I opted for the Agattu, as they have large frame sizes. However, my Mom and Dad want to get eBikes as well, and I think City Commuters would be perfect for them.

Since we're looking at the same bikes, I'd love to get your comparison between Kalkhoff and Pedego!
Cory, I remember you bought Kalkhoff Agattu.
Did you get your bike yet? and if so, we would love to see some pics and your initial impressions.

Cheers
 

Court

Administrator
Staff member
Hey Paul, thanks for the excellent writup! Enjoyed hearing your perspective and agree with your thoughts. Glad you got to try each of the bikes, that really helps to narrow things down :)