Looking for a jack of all trades bike

Ironhorse

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Canada

PedalUma

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USA
Hi all - Looking for a bike good on trails but also for commuting.
Nice bikes. For a commuter, do you want bosses for racks? And also fenders so you do not have a stripe down your nose and up your back? The best commuters tend to have internal gears.
 

Stefan Mikes

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Europe
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Brwinów (PL)
Tero 4.0:
  • Far bigger battery (justifying the price difference)
  • Far better electronics/connectivity
  • Twice as fast charger
Cube:
  • Air fork as opposed to steel coil fork.
Uma: If the OP didn't ask for a trail/commuter e-bike but for the commuter only, I would have said Vado 4.0 2022.

The best commuters tend to have internal gears.
Please do not generalize. Please do not derail yet another thread.
 
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celbii

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USA
The best commuters tend to have internal gears.
Not great for the trails though.

I think the main question is what dealer do you have near you? That would factor into my choice between the two if you want to factor in having your bike store do any warranty work on either of them. The spec def will demand the premium, but you also get premium quality and service with it, I do not know much about the cube but I am assuming they are also a good bike. I think as stefan pointed out one of the main things is the battery off the rip, though this mainly depends on how much battery you need, its always better to go bigger the first time if you are planning to keep this one bike for a long time. The fork can be upgraded if you feel you need to, and if you don't go for a super high end air fork you can probably find a fox 32 air fork for pretty cheap as a take off since alot of riders will buy them and take them off to upgrade to a higher fox air fork( Not me though, my 32 works perfectly fine :))
 

rich c

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No such thing as the perfect jack of all trades. You know the old saying, "Jack of all trades, master of none" applies to eBikes too. Trails is a general term too. Rail trails, fire roads, paved multi-use trails, etc... Commuting this time of year in Canada seems like a real test of wills.
 

Stefan Mikes

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Europe
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Brwinów (PL)
Rich, I have ridden a Tero 3.0. It was meeting my needs both off-road and on-road.
Still, if I had to choose, that would be the new Vado.

 

indianajo

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Both specialized & cube have 11 speed rear sprockets. If you commute very much, you're likely to have to change the chain every 1000 miles or less. Road bikers report 1000 mile life on 11 speed chains even without power.
Both have mid drives. Great for off road rock climbing. Better not run out of battery. The Cube has a Bosch motor, very likely to drag the motor with your feet unpowered. Their top of the line model does not, and I don't think CX is the top of the line. Specialized has their own motor, no telling if it drags unpowered. But mid drives known to freewheel the motor when unpowered are Yamaha, Brose, Shimano Steps.
The specialized has bosch 500 battery, rather small if it is 500 wh. Spare Bosch batteries are not cheap. the Cube is 710 wh, which might be okay. I chew up 2/3 of a 840 wh battery in 27 miles on windy days, and 100% when I had a ebikeling motor. But I cross 66 to 80 hills.
2.4" tires would be very useful on and off road. My bike allows 2.1" and I use all of that for better ride, on road. 2.4" tires won't float on powder snow, but then powder snow turns to ice in a day usually anyway, and you need spiked tires for that.
I ride without power 80% of the distance, and 100% of the distance mid December to April. LiIon batteries don't take well to freezing. Don't ever charge one below freezing. I put my battery in the garage under a heat pad the winter months, and re-install it when freezing weather is over. With that regimen, my battery is working fine going into its fourth year. My geared hub motor rides around like a 7 lb weight on the front axle all winter, balancing the load of tools supplies & groceries I put in the pannier at the rear. No drag unpowered from geared hub motors.
As far as winter commuting, I rode 8 m RT to the grocery today at 38 F & 13 mph wind. You just have to wear clothes. Got a bit damp against the wind, had to unbutton & unzip some. I've been out at 6 F, but a helmet liner is necessary, and oven mitts over farmer wells-lamont mittens to prevent frostbite. Wrap around glasses too, and plastic wrap over the vents in my helmet.
 
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TrevorB

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Both specialized & cube have 11 speed rear sprockets. If you commute very much, you're likely to have to change the chain every 1000 miles or less. Road bikers report 1000 mile life on 11 speed chains even without power.
I'm getting 3000-3500kms from 10 and 11 spd shimano chains, commuting and trekking. That is to 0.75 wear mark. MTBing its more like 1000-1500. Not sure how often to replace 40t chainring, I'm working on every 2nd chain at this stage. Planning to completely wearout drive train on 2nd chain as I was going to replace everything, guessing 5000kms before I get problems.
 

AleksR

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Hi all - Looking for a bike good on trails but also for commuting.

Currently looking at these two:

The specialized seems nicer, is it worth 1.2k more? Open to other suggestions as well but supply might be an issue.

Thanks for any help,
Riese and Mueller supercharger 2 is the jack of all trades with two batteries and nice suspension.
 

mschwett

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USA
Both specialized & cube have 11 speed rear sprockets. If you commute very much, you're likely to have to change the chain every 1000 miles or less. Road bikers report 1000 mile life on 11 speed chains even without power.
Both have mid drives. Great for off road rock climbing. Better not run out of battery. The Cube has a Bosch motor, very likely to drag the motor with your feet unpowered. Their top of the line model does not, and I don't think CX is the top of the line. Specialized has their own motor, no telling if it drags unpowered. ...

i've heard this "fact" stated many, many times. i've got 5000+ miles on my 1x11 speed bike and the second chain is barely elongated. i'll end up getting around 4,000 miles per chain without even going to the recommended replacement point. i think i paid $30 for the replacement, less than a penny a mile. i ride pretty hard and fast on steep terrain, gravel, rain, city streets, and am no lightweight.

the specialized motors don't drag unpowered. there's a clutch, they're literally not engaged.
 

Ravi Kempaiah

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Canada
City
Halifax
Hi all - Looking for a bike good on trails but also for commuting.

Currently looking at these two:

The specialized seems nicer, is it worth 1.2k more? Open to other suggestions as well but supply might be an issue.

Thanks for any help,

If you are in Atlantic Canada, we will be happy to offer our bikes for a demo test ride.

Our bikes are particularly designed for harsh Canadian weather - Gates belt drive, Enviolo/Rohloff hubs, Bosch Gen4 motors, and all the nice components to make it an all-around commuter and light off-road capable bike.