Motiv Sleek for retired 62 yr Female, 5'7" recreational use

Mary53

New Member
Hello,
I am looking to buy a Motiv Sleek for recreational use. It is the 36 volt, 15 amp model. I am going to use it around town with some hills. I test rode one today and it felt nice, rode smooth and I was very comfortable. I just need some suggestions as I am concerned about the hills. I also want to get a quality bike within a reasonable price range ($1500 to $2200. Any suggestions is appreciated.
 

Mike leroy

Active Member
Hello,
I am looking to buy a Motiv Sleek for recreational use. It is the 36 volt, 15 amp model. I am going to use it around town with some hills. I test rode one today and it felt nice, rode smooth and I was very comfortable. I just need some suggestions as I am concerned about the hills. I also want to get a quality bike within a reasonable price range ($1500 to $2200. Any suggestions is appreciated.
Do you know the percent grade of the hills? If not, just send the start and end address. Less than 5% is nothing. Every 5% increment is significant. Few roads are more than 20%. You will need a strong motor above 10% grade.
 

Mary53

New Member
Do you know the percent grade of the hills? If not, just send the start and end address. Less than 5% is nothing. Every 5% increment is significant. Few roads are more than 20%. You will need a strong motor above 10% grade.
This is the main hill that I would be riding on almost all of the time. It is approximately .6 miles.
The start address is 1664 Taylor Ave Corona CA 92882
The end address is 2171 Taylor Ave Corona CA 92882

I am hesitant about the 36v 15 amp motor. I am thinking I need the 48v motor. Also, is the Motiv a decent bike? Thank you for your help.
 

Mike leroy

Active Member
This is the main hill that I would be riding on almost all of the time. It is approximately .6 miles.
The start address is 1664 Taylor Ave Corona CA 92882
The end address is 2171 Taylor Ave Corona CA 92882

I am hesitant about the 36v 15 amp motor. I am thinking I need the 48v motor. Also, is the Motiv a decent bike? Thank you for your help.
This is a great example! By "riding around town" do you mean stopping at stores to buy things, or simply for exercise/health benefits? If only for health benefits, what heart rate are you targeting? Would you ride the bike in open spaces that are much steeper than streets? If no heart rate, do you actually mean for "enjoyment", rather than "recreation"?

Here are th basic questions:
  1. How do you expect to feel before and after your ride?
  2. How much is mental and physical improvement worth to you?
  3. How far will you ride ?
  4. How fast will you ride?
  5. How much load will you carry?
  6. How steep is the ride?
  7. How easy or hard will you ride?
My preference is apply cost per ride. It easier for me to answer the question: "how much am I willing to pay for a joy ride or transportation", how much should I pay. Price "anchoring" is a psychological sin according to Daniel Kahneman, who won a Nobel Prize for work on this subject.

For example , my eBike purpose is grocery shopping. A ride to the store is only worth a $2 bus ticket. So, for a $2000 eBike, I need 1000 rides to break even. You could factor other benefits like health or fitness. I have a hard time justifying an eBike unless I ride it once a week for 20 years, because I run to the store (1000 rides / 50 weeks per year = 20 years). If you drive to the store, then you might break even within 5 years, or less.

First, You need to clearly identify your purpose and benefits worth paying for. Otherwise, you are wasting your time and money. It makes little sense to budget without knowing if the bike is a good investment. Other options may provide greater value. For example, you plan to ride to stores the Motiv Sherpa is a much better value, for an additional $500. The Sherpa is only a 48V bike

I do not know how you plan to benefit from the bike. I assume the worst case. You need a strong, center-mounted motor for this general area. I suggest starting with something like the Haibike FS RX, around $5000. Work your way down to $2000 by making careful trade-offs.

Let's look at the bigger picture from West 6th and South Lincoln Ave (220 meter elevation) to Lincoln Ave and West Foothill Parkwaye (310m) . Then, up the trail to 700m in Montecito Ranch Park. Is this too wide of an area for you?

The first is ~90m / ~1800m = 05% grade. Five percent grade is significant for most people over 60 years old.

The second leg is ~300m / ~3300m = 9% grade. Every 2.5% is significant. The two routes are very different. You will notice a difference in sweat and breathing.

I train for running on a similar 10% hill and pass bicyclists around 9mph. I also carry over 30 pounds of groceries up the hill. I am extremely fast, ran a 25 minute 5 mile, ~12mph. One time, caught a 60 year old woman who was halfway up the hill. I was carrying about 30 pounds of groceries in the fanny pack, which she very sagely guessed the weight.

My articles are the #1 Google Search search results for "electric bicycle cost benefit" searches. Please read the following articles. I can help you narrow your choices after we are on the same page.

http://electricbikereview.com/community/threads/cost-benefit-analysis-felt-mountain-or-ebike.1323/

http://electricbikereview.com/commu...omparison-google-spreadsheet-for-ebikes.1386/
 
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JoePah

Well-Known Member
Hello,
I am looking to buy a Motiv Sleek for recreational use. It is the 36 volt, 15 amp model. I am going to use it around town with some hills. I test rode one today and it felt nice, rode smooth and I was very comfortable. I just need some suggestions as I am concerned about the hills. I also want to get a quality bike within a reasonable price range ($1500 to $2200. Any suggestions is appreciated.

Seems like you found a bike you like... The Motiv Sleek does come in a 48v version.. Just buy the one with the largest battery available.

This eBike is throttle only.. Pedal assist bikes are a lot more fun and give you a lot more range... To each his/her own!

And whatever you end up with, ask the bike store if you can try the bike on some nearby hills before you buy.

http://electricbikereview.com/motiv/sleek/
 

Mike leroy

Active Member
Seems like you found a bike you like... The Motiv Sleek does come in a 48v version.. Just buy the one with the largest battery available.

This eBike is throttle only.. Pedal assist bikes are a lot more fun and give you a lot more range... To each his/her own!

And whatever you end up with, ask the bike store if you can try the bike on some nearby hills before you buy.

http://electricbikereview.com/motiv/sleek/
If you use the bike for shopping, which is my primary reason, the Sherpa is a much better choice. You get true $500 worth of value from the accessories like racks. The
Sherpa only comes in 48v, which is better suited to heavier loads.

My approach is to acknowledge my initial feelings and factor that consideration into the holistic answer. By the same token, also realize that emotions create a huge psychological bias that usually result in poor decisions. Check out Daniel Kahneman Nobel Peace Prize Prospect Theory about economic decision making behavior. Kahneman is a psychology professor at Princeton Univ

Joe, I understand where you are coming from. respectfully, this is not good advice.
 
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Lenny

Well-Known Member
Joe is right on the money. Test ride few more brands of E-bikes and I can see several bikes matching your criteria.
Haibike Fs Rx is not a good fit for a 62 yr old lady intending to ride for recreational purpose.

As a bike shop owner, I would suggest you to test ride the following, if you can.
  1. Izip Zuma or Izip E3 Path Plus (low step)
  2. BH Easy Motion Evo Street, Neo Jet and Evo city.
  3. Pedego boomerang, Pedego comfort cruiser
  4. E-joe Anggun or EG Athens.
 

Mike leroy

Active Member
Joe is right on the money. Test ride few more brands of E-bikes and I can see several bikes matching your criteria.
Haibike Fs Rx is not a good fit for a 62 yr old lady intending to ride for recreational purpose.

As a bike shop owner, I would suggest you to test ride the following, if you can.
  1. Izip Zuma or Izip E3 Path Plus (low step)
  2. BH Easy Motion Evo Street, Neo Jet and Evo city.
  3. Pedego boomerang, Pedego comfort cruiser
  4. E-joe Anggun or EG Athens.
Lenny,
Test riding is a good starting point. You completely missed my point. I said start at the top and work your way down. I fully expect that all Haibikes are beyond her. It is a learning exercise, not a shooping spree.

I am surprised you responded to this before contacting the Falco CEO about a joint deal with Ford Motor Co. The CEO emailed me that he feels it is a "great idea" and he is contacting Ford.
 

J.R.

Well-Known Member
@Mary53 Welcome.

I want to echo Joe's and Lenny's advise. You are the only expert for you! Try to ride before you buy, if you cannot; follow the advise of people with real personal experience with bikes and e-bikes. Check out member's posts and follow the people with experience that you identify with. There are a lot of baby-boomers here. @Crazy Lenny Ebikes posted a great list:
As a bike shop owner, I would suggest you to test ride the following, if you can.
  1. Izip Zuma or Izip E3 Path Plus (low step)
  2. BH Easy Motion Evo Street, Neo Jet and Evo city.
  3. Pedego boomerang, Pedego comfort cruiser
  4. E-joe Anggun or EG Athens.

The Zuma looks like a particularly good value. Good luck Mary and enjoy the community.
 

opimax

Well-Known Member
Mike, you missed the point , Lenny is paid professional , you are an amateur who doesn't even own an electric bike, please stop monopolizing the board
 

Mike leroy

Active Member
Mike, you missed the point , Lenny is paid professional , you are an amateur who doesn't even own an electric bike, please stop monopolizing the board
OK. I will unwatch this thread and not return. I am trying to explain economic theory, which is unappreciated. I have better things to do with my time. Bye.
 

stevenast

Well-Known Member
I also want to get a quality bike within a reasonable price range ($1500 to $2200.

You are right in my price range, Mary. Lenny mentioned some great bikes but a number of them are higher than your range.

I was attracted to Motiv at first as well, but I sort of think it's not the best value.

My suggestions to check out include:

- Prodeco Stride R (throttle only, no pedal assist, but your pedaling still helps just the same)
- Izip path+ (echoing Lenny) ... you can probably find a way to get it within our range,(msrp is 2,400) really sweet ride
- Easy Motion Evo Eco Lite (also msrp 2,400, but you can probably get it within your price range). Quality product!

(Note: the first one is at the bottom of our price range, and the other two are at the top, so be aware that they are apples and oranges!)

I am not a bike dealer so I do not have as much experience as Lenny, but I have tried all of these... excellent alternatives to the Motiv ... and who knows maybe it will just convince you that you like the Motiv even more after you've tried more bikes.

Definitely look around some more...
 
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Chandlee EBS

Active Member
Hello,
I am looking to buy a Motiv Sleek for recreational use. It is the 36 volt, 15 amp model. I am going to use it around town with some hills. I test rode one today and it felt nice, rode smooth and I was very comfortable. I just need some suggestions as I am concerned about the hills. I also want to get a quality bike within a reasonable price range ($1500 to $2200. Any suggestions is appreciated.

Hey Mary,

I really like the motivs. They've been extremely reliable, no warranties at all. They have tons of power at 36v and I've travelled 39 miles through hilly terrain with the 15 AH battery. No need for the 48v, really.

Path+ and EVO Eco lite are good upgrades for pedal assist as mentioned above.

The Angun is fanastic, but won't have as much power on the hills.
 

stevenast

Well-Known Member
I too am a fan of Motiv

As I mentioned above, the Spark was the first ebike I really noticed. I figured I would be buying one, then I started reading EBR and became aware of the whole world out there.

The Spark has no shock, it seems like a stripped-down cruiser with a powerful motor and battery.

Do you ride a Motiv? (I almost asked if you have a motive, but that might sound a little strange lol!)
 

Brambor

Well-Known Member
I have a some point considered a Shadow. Spoke to the company contacts and like all I heard from them. But I ended up buying different bike.
 

Chandlee EBS

Active Member
As I mentioned above, the Spark was the first ebike I really noticed. I figured I would be buying one, then I started reading EBR and became aware of the whole world out there.

The Spark has no shock, it seems like a stripped-down cruiser with a powerful motor and battery.

Do you ride a Motiv? (I almost asked if you have a motive, but that might sound a little strange lol!)

I often ride Motivs. We have a rental fleet with them. They're great. Not my style, personally, but probably my favorite throttle-only bike.

You definitely wouldn't want shocks on this bike. The frame and tires do enough. That said, thubbusters are a huge upgrade on the seat post shock.
 

stevenast

Well-Known Member
You definitely wouldn't want shocks on this bike. The frame and tires do enough.

YOU might not want shocks. MY old body would appreciate the springs from a 1975 Cadillac! I definitely want a suspension shock!!

Seriously, not only does a modest shock smooth out bumps in the road, it can actually be a safety item, allowing better control.

I had my fill of fixed forks when I was a kid; time for some comfort now. Large tires help but aren't the same.

As for the frame absorbing shock? Aluminum frames are notoriously stiff. I don't even know why you would make a comment like that.