Motor Mods to increase power for Creo bikes

pcracer

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What is the spec 35nm of torque? Right now over 31% of the bikes for sale at Pinkbike (ebike road/gravel) are Creo's. Let's face it, the motor is anemic compared to other bikes let alone my own emtb. If you lived on an island and never saw another ebike, fine. The bike is awesome. But that is not the case. You might disagree but talk to the 31%. Has anyone entertained getting this motor to produce more power? Not unlocking max speed, I mean more freakin power. Shame, but after sinking the money I did, disapointed to say the least.
 

pcracer

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omg. this gives you an idea of how bad it is. wow, the only thing that motor beat was a non motorized bike. a reputable purchasing company offered me a store credit of mid $3k. Figure they are making at least 20 percent again off of me, I'm in $2k range for a bike that retailed for $9k. Really?
 

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pcracer

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so that negates the issue? given the time frame, availability, and online review, it was my best choice. which isn't the point. to me, Specialized missed it on performance of a motor.
 

rayray

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I bought my Creo largely because of the motor. I had been riding a Trek Allant+ 9.9s (85nm), and felt that I wanted less power and a much lighter bike. I love my Creo, and haven’t ridden the Trek once since I bought the Creo last Spring. It’s just a “to each their own” kind of thing.
 

pcracer

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totally respect your opinion. to each their own. not even going to contest that. it is motor wars. you watch. my emtb e8000 gets 70nm which is fine for me and weight has nothing to do with it. problem is two fold. Resale of a Creo sucks. fact. 2nd, it is slower than my emtb. Just don't understand why you would buy a slower motor at a premium price. I appreciate your response, man. just opened a discussion. motor wars has already started.
 

McCorby

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There is no “issue”. The bike was designed to be first and foremost lightweight. They achieved this this in part by using a light, compact motor. With current technology, more power would mean more weight.
You knew the power output of the motor before you bought it….and now you’re complaining…..lol
 

mschwett

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…. Just don't understand why you would buy a slower motor at a premium price. I appreciate your response, man. just opened a discussion. motor wars has already started.

you may not understand it… but the creo sells very well to those who want a bike that rides as much like a regular road bike as possible. other than the extra weight, the creo achieves that, comfortably rideable even without the motor, but with a significant amount of additional power available.

the bike already weighs twice what a comparable unpowered bike would weigh - if another 15 NM and 200w of peak power meant another 5 or more pounds, people like me would not have bought the thing. there are bikes that fill that niche, which specialized knows.

new tech like the TQ motor will allow more power with the same weight, but if you actually use more power it means a bigger battery which still means more weight.

go look at the used listings on pros closet. the discount from new is in the same ballpark as other high end road bikes.
 

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pcracer

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lmao, they offered me mid $3k store credit, which I refered to above. You can do all the math you want, power output, weight, yada yada. weight, really, you got a motor. with this motor, it is a rip off. I got suckered. have yur fun. 31% selling. buy mine then $6k, offers?
 

mschwett

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lmao, they offered me mid $3k store credit, which I refered to above. You can do all the math you want, power output, weight, yada yada. weight, really, you got a motor. with this motor, it is a rip off. I got suckered. have yur fun. 31% selling. buy mine then $6k, offers?
if you don’t like the shop offer, sell it somewhere else. i don’t think anyone gets a good deal bringing a used bike back to a bike shop. and you’re totally missing the point, the weight is an issue because you don’t NEED the motor on a bike this light. i ride mine motor off 95% of the time, and am very glad for the motor when i need it.
 

pcracer

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you are on an island. you are not comparing what else is out there. over this man. a motor with 3 times the torque kills your weight of the bike bro. stop. what a joke. good bye forever man.
 

mschwett

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you are on an island. you are not comparing what else is out there. over this man. a motor with 3 times the torque kills your weight of the bike bro. stop. what a joke. good bye forever man.
you have no idea what you’re talking about. i have other bikes. each has it’s purpose. i’m sorry you didn’t pay attention to the purpose of the bike you were buying. do you know what also has more power and is cheaper than a creo? a moped. enjoy the ride! ignored.
 

rich c

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lmao, they offered me mid $3k store credit, which I refered to above. You can do all the math you want, power output, weight, yada yada. weight, really, you got a motor. with this motor, it is a rip off. I got suckered. have yur fun. 31% selling. buy mine then $6k, offers?
They made you buy it in the first place? You suckered yourself, they didn't make you buy it.
 

jodi2

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Southeast of Frankfurt
You're right, all the guys with decades of cycling experience and ten thousands of miles with different ebikes should say goodbuy forever, if they don't understand your complaints! And you will stay alone here.

Even if I'm not sure if you deserve more advice and spending time with your problems with your attitude so far, my thoughts:
- Even if you find a technical way to increase the power of the SL motor significantly, there is a good chance, that this could damage the small motor and of course you will lose any guarantee. And I don’t think you prefer to have a damaged Creo or a repair bill of $1000 or more.
- If you’re done with blaming a great bike and others for your wrong decision: The Creo is popular bike, you can sell it with a usual loss of maybe 1/3 on the normal private market and buy another more powerful ebike with a much bigger battery. But please try it out first and long enough, that you don’t complain seven months later what rubbish they sold you, so heavy and terrible to ride without motor.
 

kahn

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I compared the aluminum Creo with my converted custom titanium road bike here in Seattle. I tested on some of our routine hills. I knew immediately it was not as powerful but it was less twitchy than the converted bike probably because I had a front hub motor installed on the titanium custom. The Creo handled more like my converted bike before the conversion. That is more like a ROAD BIKE.

I also knew that I wanted to be able to carry any new bike up and down three 4-6 step staircases to gain access to my home. That meant a tradeoff between reasonable bike weight and power. Aluminum meant a tradeoff between weight and MONEY. I think I made the right choice even as I lug behind a friend with a 50+ pound bike up our hills. She wheels her bike into a garage - I carry mine up and down stairs. But I can also pick it up and put it on a rack, a rack that will not carry her bike's weight even if she could lift it.

Before purchasing, I actually tested the bike a second time for another hour on more hills. I was trying to figure out if the Creo would work and be worth the investment since I knew it was not as powerful as my other e-bike.

So, yes, there are definitely tradeoffs when moving to electric bikes and their power output.

Good luck going forward.
 

PSm

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What is the spec 35nm of torque? Right now over 31% of the bikes for sale at Pinkbike (ebike road/gravel) are Creo's. Let's face it, the motor is anemic compared to other bikes let alone my own emtb. If you lived on an island and never saw another ebike, fine. The bike is awesome. But that is not the case. You might disagree but talk to the 31%. Has anyone entertained getting this motor to produce more power? Not unlocking max speed, I mean more freakin power. Shame, but after sinking the money I did, disapointed to say the least.
Too bad it didn’t work out for you.

There are some pretty simple trade offs… weight, torque and/or range. You can’t have it all. That’s life.

It’s too bad that you weren’t able to test ride enough for your needs, or for you to do enough research on your own, before you made a decision to buy an expensive bike for yourself that you regret.
 

jodi2

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Europe
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Southeast of Frankfurt
I don't see anything "snippy" or any reproach in a simple question. The TE would like more motor power - this is totally ok. But he is complaining from the first moment, that Creo and SL are rubbish and Specialized is cheating him just because of torque. And without realizing what are the benefits and the main goal of Creo and SL drive. And anyone who tries to explain him, is getting insulted.