You truly are a self absorbed dinkleberryNo. I said you should get yourself a quality manufactured e-bike. Who's "everyone"?
In early August 2019, e-bikes were a mystery to me. I was considering conversion of my traditional hybrid bike. I had a talk with my manager at work and he said: "Stefan, you should get yourself an e-bike that was designed and made e-bike in the first place. I know you can afford it: anyway, I am the person who pays your salary"
I have owned as many as 4 manufactured e-bikes since. I had no issues with any, and if any of them required some attention, any of them was armed with a solid warranty, and an LBS willing to fix it.
You said "everyone". No. People who give you the advice to convert a bike are DIYers. I'd like anyone of them compare their Strava to my Strava. Because they sit in their shops but I do ride.
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I made a Strava account to record my progress on e-bikes. Since the end of August 2019.
well if you have only done a hour of maintenance you must not ride much. 10 minutes or so a week lubing the chain and lubing other parts of me. then pad changes and chain changes and cleaning and brake bleeding as needed and tire changes as needed adjusting and finding sure add up for me. hours and hours on my two bikes in just a few years.So you advice to everybody to become their own bike mechanic and electronic.
No only those riders with more skill than you. I’ve not done more than an hour of maintenance on my 2014 mid drive builds since 2014. FFS Stefan, you’re clueless. I sold hundreds of Bafang mid drives. Anyone with half a brain can do the maintenance.
So which is it. You like to ride it without working on it, or you are spending "hours and hours on it in just a few years"?well if you have only done a hour of maintenance you must not ride much. 10 minutes or so a week lubing the chain and lubing other parts of me. then pad changes and chain changes and cleaning and brake bleeding as needed and tire changes as needed adjusting and finding sure add up for me. hours and hours on my two bikes in just a few years.
I do regular maintenance that comes from riding 200+ miles a week. tandem and regular bike chains both need lubed and wiped off once a week. more often with rain riding lubing other parts every couple of weeks. 2000 to 2500 miles all new chains. every 2000 miles new pads on the tandem. 4000 on my commuter, 4000 miles new tire on the tandem and ore on my commuter. then screwing around with setup and accessories can take time. lubing bearings not too often. but all that time adds up pretty fast. a few minutes a week just airing up tires. I maintain my bike so it is reliable and always available. thats how I got 12,000 miles out of my drive train going through 9 chains I think. sometimes bleeding brake lines and other stuff. if I don't do maintenance then I am going to spend more time replacing parts.So which is it. You like to ride it without working on it, or you are spending "hours and hours on it in just a few years"?
Because of the incidental problems people write about, you are ASSuming folks other than you are having a lot of trouble with their e-bikes. That coudn't possibly be further from the truth. Personally I spend more time charging (at about 30 miles) and cleaning than doing anything else.
Aren't you glad you askedI have been looking at e-bikes in the 3000-4000 range.
Requirements are mid drive, torque sensor, front suspension and atleast a 500W motor with 20+ mile range on full assist. Throttle nice to have but not a bust.
While looking at the reviews on EBR, I see that ebikes fall into 2 categories as far as manufacturers are concerned.
Online or new companies like Biktrix, Dost, Prodigy etc.,
Established bike manufactures like Canondale, Specialized, Trek, Giant, Gazelle etc.,
The bike which costs 3000-3500$ from the online folks, a similar bike (but with slightly better specs) costs 4000-4500$ or even 5000$ from the established bike companies.
So I am wondering what are the pros and cons for going with the new kids on the block (most of which are in Canada) vs somebody who has a local presence via dealers and support network
Some of the pros-cons I could think of are
- Dealer network to test drive and actually see and feel the stuff
- Warranty support - how do you even get warranty on a faulty motor from the online chaps. Ship the motor to canada? Try DIY repairs based on their instructions
- Bosch/Brose more common
- Easier to get commuter spec (vs Fat tire spec)
- Lighter bikes
- Lower price
- More powerful motors and bigger batteries too
- New technology at lower price point eg CVT
- Passionate bike builders - its not a big corp starting to build bikes but passionate individuals in a startup
So just wondering which way to go. I feel a good compromise would be to go with a california manufacturer like Gazelle so you get kind of best of both worlds. But stuff biktrix and prodigy put out at the price points is so damn nice. Very confused.
What did you choose? And Why? Looking to hear some thoughts from the community as well the hosts!
Yes,While you were sitting home with your Bafang stuff...
The power is available. Nobody will force you to use it. It is only stressing the drive train when you tell it to. Because it's ABLE to supply big power does NOT mean it's going to wear out the drive train quickly.Oh boy this thread is going off into all sorts of tangents.
To summarize here is what I can do
1. Build my own - I won't do that
2. Buy from a brick and mortar brand with local dealers - Safest option, I will spend 500-1500$ more depending on what I get
3. Buy from a reputed online shop USA based like Sondors? - Middle option. Still relatively safe and some cost cutting. Can get brose/Bosch motors. I am not to sold on the ultra powerful torque sensing 1000-1500W Bafang setups. It will definitely put more stress on drivetrain.
Honesty I don't know how many miles I've riden in 2022 cause it serves me no purpose to document it. But I know for sure the times I couldn't ride had to do with my life's responsibilities and nothing to do with my Throttle equipped, 750w Bafang BBSO2B as it's been working perfectly since I installed it May of 2020 and I've lost no time humping it to an lbs for anything at all.Now I know Gionni you prefer to sit and drink your Sambuca but I think the OP prefers riding How many miles ridden by you in 2022, eh?
It would be very hard for you to build a super lightweight thin laptop yourself nowadays. The times have changed.There's been a lot of self-righteous posting in this thread, and I think some of the debate borders on silly. There's no one solution for everyone.
It reminds me of desktop computers. I've been building my own for many years, because (1) I have the knowledge and skill and (2) because I can pick the best components that work for me. But there's always the unexpected (like in my most recent build, not reading the MB manual very carefully to learn that the two pcie x-16 slots were not the same...), and it's not a quick job. Others will order online from established manufacturers like Dell. Others want a complete system that involves little tinkering, just plug it in and go. They'll go to the Apple store. Sound familiar?
I could carry the analogy further but I think you get the idea.