Please help me make final decision between Biktrix Ultra Eagle and HPC Scout

Gasher

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I've narrowed by decision down to these two bikes. Would be grateful if anyone would tell me what you'd choose if you were in my shoes and why. Here's my scenario:
  • I didn't list cost (please assume total cost is not a factor in your analysis. However my budget is 6k and both of these bikes are under that, so it wouldn't help to recommend a 10k bike)
  • 3 most important factors are top speed, build quality, and good customer support/warranty
  • 5"10', 145 lb female - and a decade-long 250cc dirt bike rider, so no worries that I'm overdoing it for my first e-bike
  • Bike will be used exclusively on private land on GNCC type trails
My dilemma is this: seems I'll get the most power/speed from the HPC but I can't find much of any reviews about the quality of their builds or after sale support. They don't seem to have a yelp page and their BBB page has one negative review and nothing else. However their google maps reviews look great. On the other hand, Biktrix looks to have a much bigger community and positive reviews about their quality, support and warranty, but the motor is smaller and the top speed is less.

Biktrix Juggernaut Ultra Eagle
HPC Scout

I guess what I'm really asking is this: is it worth it to go with a more unknown company (HPC) for a 2000w motor and 8 more mph? Really appreciate any advice that will help me decide
 

onlineaddy

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Wow, those two bikes appear to have the same frame!?

Considering the power the Scout is extracting out of the motor, I'm inclined to say that it may be under-batteried (48V vs 52V). However, is that 2000W nominal or peak? The Juggernaut peaks at 1500W.

Also, with Biktrix's CS reputation, I'd lean more towards the Juggernaut, if I were in your shoes. But, only you can decide whether or not the extra speed potential is worth the uncertainty for you.
 

FlatSix911

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Go with Watt Wagons. Better controller, top notch build, amazing customer support, and warranty.

I agree... the OP should take a look at the Watt Wagons as they have better specifications and pricing. ;)


 

TomD

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Not that bike. The City Commuter uses the lower powered M600 motor not the Ultra. OP seems to want the fastest most powerful bike out there. @pushkar can probably put together a custom build similar to the Scout or Eagle with the Ultra motor and X1 controller, titatnium frame, and larger battery. Benefits of X1 controller here:

 
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Timpo

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I've narrowed by decision down to these two bikes. Would be grateful if anyone would tell me what you'd choose if you were in my shoes and why. Here's my scenario:
  • I didn't list cost (please assume total cost is not a factor in your analysis. However my budget is 6k and both of these bikes are under that, so it wouldn't help to recommend a 10k bike)
  • 3 most important factors are top speed, build quality, and good customer support/warranty
  • 5"10', 145 lb female - and a decade-long 250cc dirt bike rider, so no worries that I'm overdoing it for my first e-bike
  • Bike will be used exclusively on private land on GNCC type trails
My dilemma is this: seems I'll get the most power/speed from the HPC but I can't find much of any reviews about the quality of their builds or after sale support. They don't seem to have a yelp page and their BBB page has one negative review and nothing else. However their google maps reviews look great. On the other hand, Biktrix looks to have a much bigger community and positive reviews about their quality, support and warranty, but the motor is smaller and the top speed is less.

Biktrix Juggernaut Ultra Eagle
HPC Scout

I guess what I'm really asking is this: is it worth it to go with a more unknown company (HPC) for a 2000w motor and 8 more mph? Really appreciate any advice that will help me decide
I agree with everyone on WattWagons in terms of quality and service.

Unfortunately, WattWagons does not have hard-tail MTB like Biktrix Ultra Eagle or HPC Scout.

I would ask @pushkar to see if he's willing to build a hard-tail MTB like Biktrix Ultra Eagle and HPC Scout.

Since you have been riding 250cc dirtbike for 10 years, you're not afraid of power. Ask him to boost it to 3000W.
 

Timpo

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Not that bike. The City Commuter uses the lower powered M600 motor not the Ultra. OP seems to want the fastest most powerful bike out there. @pushkar can probably put together a custom build similar to the Scout or Eagle with the Ultra motor and X1 controller, titatnium frame, and larger battery. Benefits of X1 controller here:

yeah I agree.

That's a commuter bike. :confused:

OP should ask Pushkar to custom build a hard-tail MTB like Biktrix Ultra Eagle and HPC Scout. :cool:
 

TomD

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Or get the Travalanche if FS is agreeable. Pushkar can perhaps get the price closer to $6K with reasonable cost components. Personally I find it hard to go back my HT after riding a FS.

 

Timpo

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Or get the Travalanche if FS is agreeable. Pushkar can perhaps get the price closer to $6K with reasonable cost components. Personally I find it hard to go back my HT after riding a FS.

yeah that would be the easiest since it is already set up for off road.

I was thinking maybe the Commuter Pro can be used, but the rake angle is clearly not meant for off road.. it's meant for long distance comfort.
I can't imagine landing jumps with this rake angle.




and if you look at the Travalanche, it has even more aggressive rake angle than the Biktrix Ultra Eagle.

 
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Gasher

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Wow, those two bikes appear to have the same frame!?

Considering the power the Scout is extracting out of the motor, I'm inclined to say that it may be under-batteried (48V vs 52V). However, is that 2000W nominal or peak? The Juggernaut peaks at 1500W.

Also, with Biktrix's CS reputation, I'd lean more towards the Juggernaut, if I were in your shoes. But, only you can decide whether or not the extra speed potential is worth the uncertainty for you.

Thank you!
 

pushkar

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yeah that would be the easiest since it is already set up for off road.

I was thinking maybe the Commuter Pro can be used, but the rake angle is clearly not meant for off road.. it's meant for long distance comfort.
I can't imagine landing jumps with this rake angle.

and if you look at the Travalanche, it has even more aggressive rake angle than the Biktrix Ultra Eagle.

Yup, I can absolutely build something comparable with my frames. We can choose components to be in a similar $$ range.
 

TomD

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The WW titanium offerings are also more expensive due to using belt drive and Rohloff.

The travalanche is a CF frame. It's basically a rebadged Exess HP-E180 with the upgraded fork and dropper. I was thinking Pushkar could get the price down with more standard spec but the bigger cost is going to be upgrading to the 2000W (or 3000W) version of the controller which may make it prohibitively expensive.


I would work with Pushkar to see what he can do within your budget. In terms of Biktrix Eagle vs. HPC Scout, I would go with the Biktrix Eagle. If you want more speed just go with a larger front larger chain ring (gearing is usually the limiting factor for speed). My Frey CC with stock Ultra motor goes 35mph on flats on throttle alone. I'm not sure you are getting your money's worth with the HPC 2000W controller. My guess is they are just shunting the controller to double the current and adding potting, but the motor will be as unrefined as the stock Ultra, x2. You won't get any of the refinement benefits that you get with the X1 controller that Watt Wagons offers. This is worth the price alone.
 

onlineaddy

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I concur that a Watt Wagons bike can be built to suit your needs.

Another option, if speed (50 mph!) is indeed your most important criterion:
Delfast Top 3.0

Note that you can't actually buy the bike at the moment. But, if you pre-order and pay in advance, the reservation discount gets the price below your budget: $5649. Delfast has been successful in delivering their previous models, so eventual delivery of this bike shouldn't be a concern.
 

Gasher

New Member
The WW titanium offerings are also more expensive due to using belt drive and Rohloff.

The travalanche is a CF frame. It's basically a rebadged Exess HP-E180 with the upgraded fork and dropper. I was thinking Pushkar could get the price down with more standard spec but the bigger cost is going to be upgrading to the 2000W (or 3000W) version of the controller which may make it prohibitively expensive.


I would work with Pushkar to see what he can do within your budget. In terms of Biktrix Eagle vs. HPC Scout, I would go with the Biktrix Eagle. If you want more speed just go with a larger front larger chain ring (gearing is usually the limiting factor for speed). My Frey CC with stock Ultra motor goes 35mph on flats on throttle alone. I'm not sure you are getting your money's worth with the HPC 2000W controller. My guess is they are just shunting the controller to double the current and adding potting, but the motor will be as unrefined as the stock Ultra, x2. You won't get any of the refinement benefits that you get with the X1 controller that Watt Wagons offers. This is worth the price alone.

Thanks! Very helpful
 

FlatSix911

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Silicon Valley
I concur that a Watt Wagons bike can be built to suit your needs.

Another option, if speed (50 mph!) is indeed your most important criterion: Delfast Top 3.0

Note that you can't actually buy the bike at the moment. But, if you pre-order and pay in advance, the reservation discount gets the price below your budget: $5649.
Delfast has been successful in delivering their previous models, so eventual delivery of this bike shouldn't be a concern.

Timely suggestion... Electrek has just reviewed the new version of the high-power electric bike.;)

The specs are impressive but go far beyond traditional EBikes into well into E-Motorcycle territory.


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TomD

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If you want something that's more like a motorcycle instead of a pedal bike you could also look at the SurRon that Luna sells.

 

onlineaddy

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San Diego
If you want something that's more like a motorcycle instead of a pedal bike you could also look at the SurRon that Luna sells.
That's another good suggestion. It fits the OP's needs well, I think.
 

Deacon Blues

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If you want something that's more like a motorcycle instead of a pedal bike you could also look at the SurRon that Luna sells.

I wish the kids that ride their (noisy) gas engined dirt bikes on the streets and trails in my neighbourhood would switch over to SurRons.