SONDORS is releasing it's first mid-drive EBikes.

scrambler

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Exciting to see these new upcoming models.

I know they are shooting for an aggressive price point, but if they would offer an option for an IGH (Rohloff or Nuvinci/Enviolo) and a carbon belt (Gates or Veer), they would have an affordable substitute to the Riese & Muller Delite and Nevo ...
 

BillH

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I was just being silly referring to someone who will preorder this prior to having any concrete information about the bike specifications. 😬
I guess I'm one of those suckers that's pre-ordered a Cruiser, but I have a feeling I'll have the last laugh. I can cancel anytime between now and October if things change drastically that I don't like. If it pans out to be even close to what I'm hoping for, especially with the Ultra motor, high capacity battery and Class 3 speed, winner winner chicken dinner.
 

byunbee

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I guess I'm one of those suckers that's pre-ordered a Cruiser, but I have a feeling I'll have the last laugh. I can cancel anytime between now and October if things change drastically that I don't like. If it pans out to be even close to what I'm hoping for, especially with the Ultra motor, high capacity battery and Class 3 speed, winner winner chicken dinner.
No offense intended buddy. :)

I genuinely hope that the bike turns out well because I'll probably be right behind you if that's the case. 😬
 

Ebiker33

Active Member
Well they are live to order on their website now, I have a feeling they won't last long.
Can't wait to see the testing results in October.
 

Islander1

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Hello I am interested in the LX. Are the 4in wide fat tires too fat for effecient riding with max range in mind? I have NO experience with fat tire bikes. Most of my riding will be on roads, say 60%. Most of the remaining 40% will be groomed trails with an occasional mild off trail riding. One of my primary goals is to have max range with 1 battery.

I have a limited budget. I am disabled with a painful compound back condition. I NEED to get back to biking for my mental and physical health. My comfortable Giant Sedona pedal bike is great, but too painful to ride and I now lack the power to climb significant hills.

My limited understanding of fat tires is that they are not efficient on roads/smooth trails. True? I was thinking a 3in fat tire max, might be ok. I was dismissing anything larger.

My budget is $2,000 to $2,500. The Dost Kope is very nice and ticks most of my boxes. Down side is price ~ $2,800 and range is extended by buying an additional battery, verses one big battery.

Recently I found Sondors new mid drive bikes. They look and sound great. Great introductory price $2,000. Has 4in fat tires! Some details are missing. But I have faith they will do the bikes justice, no guarantee. I contacted Sondors to ask about fenders and rack. They said they are working on options now but no official answer yet.

Others that I like are Energie cycles EMP and Nireeka Prime. I'm basically into a hybrid mountain bike at home in the city, with a futuristic look for the road and light trails.

I've written too much. My question is about the Sondors 4 inch fat tires. Are they too fat for my mission? Max distance with light pedaling, at first at least. In the future, I bet Sondors offers a bit thinner options for the tires. Do others have faith Sondors will fill in the specs with decent equipment? Thank you for any input. Much appreciated.
 

scrambler

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If you have back problems, then the fat tires will add extra comfort.

I don't know exactly what kind of range difference there would be between 3" and 4" tires, but I cant imagine it would be massive in comparison to the other factors affecting range

The articles below may provide some quantification
 
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BillH

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Hello I am interested in the LX. Are the 4in wide fat tires too fat
The tires on the LX appear to be the Maxxis Colossus. They are 4.8" wide tires, not 4". The width of the rims for the 4.8" tires most likely won't even accommodate downsizing to 4" tires. Don't even think about 3" on those rims.
 

byunbee

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Hello I am interested in the LX. Are the 4in wide fat tires too fat for effecient riding with max range in mind? I have NO experience with fat tire bikes. Most of my riding will be on roads, say 60%. Most of the remaining 40% will be groomed trails with an occasional mild off trail riding. One of my primary goals is to have max range with 1 battery.

I have a limited budget. I am disabled with a painful compound back condition. I NEED to get back to biking for my mental and physical health. My comfortable Giant Sedona pedal bike is great, but too painful to ride and I now lack the power to climb significant hills.

My limited understanding of fat tires is that they are not efficient on roads/smooth trails. True? I was thinking a 3in fat tire max, might be ok. I was dismissing anything larger.

My budget is $2,000 to $2,500. The Dost Kope is very nice and ticks most of my boxes. Down side is price ~ $2,800 and range is extended by buying an additional battery, verses one big battery.

Recently I found Sondors new mid drive bikes. They look and sound great. Great introductory price $2,000. Has 4in fat tires! Some details are missing. But I have faith they will do the bikes justice, no guarantee. I contacted Sondors to ask about fenders and rack. They said they are working on options now but no official answer yet.

Others that I like are Energie cycles EMP and Nireeka Prime. I'm basically into a hybrid mountain bike at home in the city, with a futuristic look for the road and light trails.

I've written too much. My question is about the Sondors 4 inch fat tires. Are they too fat for my mission? Max distance with light pedaling, at first at least. In the future, I bet Sondors offers a bit thinner options for the tires. Do others have faith Sondors will fill in the specs with decent equipment? Thank you for any input. Much appreciated.
Most fat tires are knobby due to their functional purpose to ride in sandy, snowy, muddy terrain. They can be ridden in any terrain but not really recommended if you ride mostly in paved roads. Not 3” but 2.8” have more commuter tire options with the most popular being Schwalbe Super Moto-X.

Sondors looks like they have a winner on their hands if they can pull it off BUT it’s still “vaporware” at this point since there is no specific information regarding the specs or components used other than the Bafang Ultra motor.

My recommendation is to hold off on ordering until more concrete information is available.
 

BillH

Active Member
Sondors looks like they have a winner on their hands if they can pull it off BUT it’s still “vaporware” at this point since there is no specific information regarding the specs or components used other than the Bafang Ultra motor.

My recommendation is to hold off on ordering until more concrete information is available.
Vaporware? If this was a Kickstarter thing I might agree with that comment, but it's not. As for components, look at the MXS model that some are now getting. Appears to be mostly Shimano parts. Are they top-of-the-line parts, no, and I wouldn't expect them to be given the bike pricing, but they are brand name stuff.
 

Ebiker33

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I own a Sondors Fold XS it's the cheapest 20" best fold-able Ebike in the market dollar for dollar at $1699.00. Their high end models for anything they sell is like that, anybody who ordered this in advance I would say be confident you are getting a good Ebike. Sondors has sold over 50,000 Ebikes in 5 years, they know what they are doing.

For example The LX is only $500 more than the RadRover, $500 is nothing in the Ebike world, to move up to that mid-drive motor alone is worth it.
 
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byunbee

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Vaporware? If this was a Kickstarter thing I might agree with that comment, but it's not. As for components, look at the MXS model that some are now getting. Appears to be mostly Shimano parts. Are they top-of-the-line parts, no, and I wouldn't expect them to be given the bike pricing, but they are brand name stuff.
I think you're misunderstanding what Sondors models I'm referencing. I'm talking about the newly announced models - Rockstar, Cruiser, and LX.

For example, below is the spec sheet for Sondors Cruiser, which doesn't tell me all that much about the bike. Yes, I think it's "vaporware" at this point.
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Ebiker33

Active Member
@byunbee

I know what you are saying, but if you look at the Sondors MXS they are selling which is a hardtail Emtb for $1699.00 it gives you an idea.

  • Motor 750 Watt
  • Controllor 25 Amp
  • Battery48V 17.5Ah Li-ion battery with Panasonic® cells
  • Range40-60 miles*
  • SpeedUp to 20 mph
  • ChargingIncludes 3A Smart Charger Included
  • ThrottleThumb
  • BrakesHydraulic with 180mm discs
  • SuspensionSeat post and adjustable front fork AirShocks
  • WheelsAluminum rims, front hub with sealed bearings
  • Crank SetPremium 48T
  • Pedal Assist Sensor12 magnet
  • Gears7-speed with grip shifter
  • SeatPremium ergonomic gel
  • HandlebarsPremium ergonomic
  • KickstandHeavy-duty
  • Color LCD DisplayIncludes USB port and five levels of pedal assist, battery level, speed, distance traveled, etc.
  • FrameAluminum
  • TiresMaxxis® 27.5 x 3.0"
  • Total Weight65 lbs
  • Standover Height30.5"”
  • Load Capacity300 lbs


The upgrade to this is the new Rockstar for $2499, for only $800 more, the motor is undoubtedly the biggest part of the cost upgrades.
 

CityExplorer

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I own a Sondors Fold XS it's the cheapest 20" best fold-able Ebike in the market dollar for dollar at $1699.00. Their high end models for anything they sell is like that, anybody who ordered this in advance I would say be confident you are getting a good Ebike. Sondors has sold over 50,000 Ebikes in 5 years, they know what they are doing.

For example The LX is only $500 more than the RadRover, $500 is nothing in the Ebike world, to move up to that mid-drive motor alone is worth it.
I don't know about 'it's the cheapest 20" best fold-able Ebike in the market dollar for dollar at $1699.00.', I think I have to hand that award to the Lectric XP.

Not that the XP would satisfy me, but dollar-for-dollar it's the leader I think. Even before the Fold-XS, I think the award would go to the Fold-X", but I think the XP wins because of the rack and fenders in the package, as well as specified as 28 mph capable (adjusted for 20mph from factory).

The problem is adding extras can get expensive fast, so if the XP does not meet your needs it could get expensive fast as you add accessories. So to me I like the Fold-XS better, but even that one I would need to add $200 for the rack and fenders. Now we are looking at something like $800-$900 over the XP depending on the deal you get on the XP, maybe $1k. I would actually like to use my own rack and their fenders if buying the XP, but that is not an option it seems :( The biggest issues 'for me' on the XP are the small battery and the lack of the front suspension fork.

I'm not sure if you can make the Fold-XS a Class 3 bike, but that would be an issue for me as well.

Did your Fold-XS come with a thumb throttle or twist throttle? Their website says something totally stupid like "100% electric ride" for the throttle description which means s*it.
 
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Ebiker33

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I don't know about 'it's the cheapest 20" best fold-able Ebike in the market dollar for dollar at $1699.00.', I think I have to hand that award to the Lectric XP.

Not that the XP would satisfy me, but dollar-for-dollar it's the leader I think. Even before the Fold-XS, I think the award would go to the Fold-X", but I think the XP wins because of the rack and fenders in the package, as well as specified as 28 mph capable (adjusted for 20mph from factory).

The problem is adding extras can get expensive fast, so if the XP does not meet your needs it could get expensive fast as you add accessories. So to me I like the Fold-XS better, but even that one I would need to add $200 for the rack and fenders. Now we are looking at something like $800-$900 over the XP depending on the deal you get on the XP, maybe $1k. I would actually like to use my own rack and their fenders if buying the XP, but that is not an option it seems :(

I'm not sure if you can make the Fold-XS a Class 3 bike, but that would be an issue for me as well.

Did your Fold-XS come with a thumb throttle or twist throttle? Their website says something totally stupid like "100% electric ride" for the throttle description which means s*it.
It has a thumb throttle, the Lectric doesn't even have front shocks, but it is like $700 cheaper, but some things are a deal killer for me and front shocks are one for me, wrist shock is a real thing when you ride longer and you want to minimize it.

Here is a good review of my exact bike even the color, their Fold X takes out all the ups and is more inline with the Lectric for price at $999, he actually mentions it right at the end of this review, I also agree with his positives and negatives for this bike, it is a candid review that can be trusted, and I say this as a owner of this Ebike.

 

jaizon

Active Member
I don't know about 'it's the cheapest 20" best fold-able Ebike in the market dollar for dollar at $1699.00.', I think I have to hand that award to the Lectric XP.

Not that the XP would satisfy me, but dollar-for-dollar it's the leader I think. Even before the Fold-XS, I think the award would go to the Fold-X", but I think the XP wins because of the rack and fenders in the package, as well as specified as 28 mph capable (adjusted for 20mph from factory).

The problem is adding extras can get expensive fast, so if the XP does not meet your needs it could get expensive fast as you add accessories. So to me I like the Fold-XS better, but even that one I would need to add $200 for the rack and fenders. Now we are looking at something like $800-$900 over the XP depending on the deal you get on the XP, maybe $1k. I would actually like to use my own rack and their fenders if buying the XP, but that is not an option it seems :( The biggest issues 'for me' on the XP are the small battery and the lack of the front suspension fork.

I'm not sure if you can make the Fold-XS a Class 3 bike, but that would be an issue for me as well.

Did your Fold-XS come with a thumb throttle or twist throttle? Their website says something totally stupid like "100% electric ride" for the throttle description which means s*it.
Not sure why you are attacking Sondors. People have clearly reported more problems with Lectric bikes than Sondors. You want fenders and a rack, great. Does that make one bike "better" than another? And is this thread about folders? I don't think so. It's about mid-drives. So why are you going on about comparing folders is beyond me. And you don't own either bike!!! Sounds a bit trollish. Please stay on topic.

Sonders history has been a good one regarding the delivery of excellent value for the price. Are they the best bikes out there, no. Are they decent quality? Yes!!!

I am waiting for a few more details and some actual photos, not renderings. Both the LX and the Cruiser are of great interest to me. And at this price point (if Sondors maintains its quality) these bikes are a fantastic deal.
 

jaizon

Active Member
It has a thumb throttle, the Lectric doesn't even have front shocks, but it is like $700 cheaper, but some things are a deal killer for me and front shocks are one for me, wrist shock is a real thing when you ride longer and you want to minimize it.

Here is a good review of my exact bike even the color, their Fold X takes out all the ups and is more inline with the Lectric for price at $999, he actually mentions it right at the end of this review, I also agree with his positives and negatives for this bike, it is a candid review that can be trusted, and I say this as a owner of this Ebike.

This thread is NOT about folders!