Specialized Turbo Creo 28mph Electric Road Bike

Stefan Mikes

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Sorry to say @JayVee but at least the Highway Code of Poland does not recognize L1e-A as a separate class. There is either the bicycle (0.9 m width maximum, powered by human power, can be assisted by electric motor of continuous power not higher than 0.25 kW and assistance that gradually ceases to exist at 25 km/h) or a moped, which is a bi- or a tri- cycle equipped with internal combustion engine of capacity not greater of 50 cm3 or with electric motor of the power not greater than 4 kW and of which construction limits the maximum speed to 45 km/h.

That Code was last changed as per 2nd of January 2020.

Therefore, at least in Poland, all L1e classes have been classified as the moped. I should know better as I registered and insured my Turbo Vado and it was really pain in ass.

RAD may say what they want. What does the Highway Code of your country exactly read?
 

PaD

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Sorry to say @JayVee but at least the Highway Code of Poland does not recognize L1e-A as a separate class. There is either the bicycle (0.9 m width maximum, powered by human power, can be assisted by electric motor of continuous power not higher than 0.25 kW and assistance that gradually ceases to exist at 25 km/h) or a moped, which is a bi- or a tri- cycle equipped with internal combustion engine of capacity not greater of 50 cm3 or with electric motor of the power not greater than 4 kW and of which construction limits the maximum speed to 45 km/h.

That Code was last changed as per 2nd of January 2020.

Therefore, at least in Poland, all L1e classes have been classified as the moped. I should know better as I registered and insured my Turbo Vado and it was really pain in ass.

RAD may
The equivalent of a class 2 exists in EU law. In fact, RAD sells these bikes in the EU. Like many people, you're not understanding the difference between EN15194 and L1e-A. Given the mess of EU laws, I have to say I'm not surprised...

This is what the two categories refer to:

EN15194 compliant = Max speed 25km/h, Max 250W. No type approval, but no throttle either. This is the 25km/h EU e-bike that everyone is used referring to.

L1e-A = Max speed 25km/h, Power: 251W up to 1kW Max. Throttle allowed but type approval needed.

RAD has explained it here for you:

Maybe the same class as the 25km/h mopeds ( fuel or electric) that requires an insurance but no registration plate. They are allowed in bike lanes.
 

JayVee

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Sorry to say @JayVee but at least the Highway Code of Poland does not recognize L1e-A as a separate class. There is either the bicycle (0.9 m width maximum, powered by human power, can be assisted by electric motor of continuous power not higher than 0.25 kW and assistance that gradually ceases to exist at 25 km/h) or a moped, which is a bi- or a tri- cycle equipped with internal combustion engine of capacity not greater of 50 cm3 or with electric motor of the power not greater than 4 kW and of which construction limits the maximum speed to 45 km/h.

That Code was last changed as per 2nd of January 2020.

Therefore, at least in Poland, all L1e classes have been classified as the moped. I should know better as I registered and insured my Turbo Vado and it was really pain in ass.

RAD may say what they want. What does the Highway Code of your country exactly read?
There are electric bikes which serve the purpose of a class 2 vehicle in the EU. But you said there weren’t, which isn’t really true. And in Belgium L1e-A has the same status as a regular bicycle. In other EU countries, probably not.

To make things (much) more confusing, an e-bike is absolutely not a 25km, 250W Max vehicle under EU law. That’s called a Pedelec. Instead, an e-bike refers to a bicycle with a motor that functions by turning the throttle, irrespective of the cyclist pedaling (according to EU law). I've attached the documentation. Pedelec & E-bike are not the same things under EU law... Pedelecs are limited to 250W, E-bikes are not. If you say that the EU nomenclature is daft, I totally agree, but I didn't invent it...

RAD is selling throttle activated electric bikes. They are L1e-A. Yes, they require type approval. Yes, they might (and probably will) require additional items depending on your country (helmet, licence, etc.). Yes, they might be classified as mopeds. But the fact is that there is something which is equivalent to class 2 in the EU. It might not be popular, and it might be cumbersome, but it certainly exists.

 

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OzGreg

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Sorry about the "Video Unavailable" on the link above. I do a lot of bike videos and often use copyrighted songs on the soundtrack, which YouTube normally allows on my channel. This time YouTube restricted the video due to the copyrighted music so I had to replace the INXS soundtrack with elevator music. It should be viewable now.

One of the criticisms I read on Creo reviews is the large "Q Factor" - which translates in english to the greater width between the pedals caused by the motor. I can honestly say I have never noticed any discomfort when riding due to the width but what I have noticed is that if I pedal through relatively slight turns I sometimes touch a pedal. Bit like how the centre stand used to scrape on my '68 Triumph Bonneville back in the day :confused:
Its serious enough that I'm forcing myself to not pedal through corners. I can also honestly say I have NEVER touched a pedal on my Trek Domane P1 despite frequently pedalling through corners. I decided to make some home mechanic kitchen measurements between the two bikes and I found the difference in lean angle is only 3.6 degrees but it certainly has a noticeable effect for me. I rate this as a minor annoyance (and its good practice not to pedal through corners anyway) but just thought I'd share the observation as I doubt you'll see this in any Creo brochures.

Creo: Pedal touches at a lean angle of 59.5 degrees
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Trek: Pedal touches at a lean angle of 55.9 degrees
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Solom01

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Thanks for the video OzGreg, brings back memories of my visit to Australia last year. Loved it so much that I'm going back this year - although the flight from the east coast of the US to Australia is a bear! Interesting about the Q factor. Maybe it's because I have insanely large feet but every time I've used a mid-drive ebike it has been a problem. In fact it's been enough of an issue that I'm sticking with my Orbea. Since no one ever seems to mention it as an issue I'm thinking that it's very much a personal thing based on a person's particular body.
 

Ebiker01

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Where’s the Creo in the video ?

You can put smaller crankset - maybe 165 or 170 to compensate for the angle.
 

FlatSix911

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I got a fever and the only cure is...more batteries
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