Specialized Turbo Vado/Como User Club

Kam1936

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Talks about another process here and a few other places in the forum. Perimeters for wheel circumference allowed by Specialized for the LEvo were 2000-2400. 13% + more speed before the motor stops assisting with 2300 mm wheels set at 2000 mm.
 

Stefan Mikes

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Region
Europe
City
Brwinów (PL)
But if wheel size is reduced to 800 mm, like the old LEvo hack allowed that's significant.
Yes, because that cheats the speed restrictor.
Besides, I came to a conclusion Kam your figure of 2300 mm has been correct for Electraks. Besides, how do you feel about riding them?
 

Sierratim

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Region
USA
City
Nevada City, CA & Paradise Valley, AZ
Actually it does. Smaller wheel circumference in my case messes with the range and speed. The display return trip reports a couple mph slower than I was actually traveling. According to GPS. 26.2 mile trip, display reported 22.6 miles. The bike thinks I'm traveling slower and shorter distance. 2000 mm vs 2300 mm is not a huge difference. But if wheel size is reduced to 800 mm, like the old LEvo hack allowed that's significant.
Most bike computers compute speed and distance using the wheel circumference. The wheel settings were initially different on our 2 Vados. They'd log different mileages on the same ride. Once the LBS set them the same the differences went away. I do get different speed and distance reports between the Vado TCD-W display and the GPS based Komoot app.
 

Kam1936

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Yes, because that cheats the speed restrictor.
Besides, I came to a conclusion Kam your figure of 2300 mm has been correct for Electraks. Besides, how do you feel about riding them?
The Electraks are A1. The Triggers were too. They both handle great. I think I prefer the Electraks slightly more because they seem to have slightly less rolling resistance than the Triggers. What I'm trying to say is it feels like the tires roll a little farther and smoother than the triggers. If the wear is what they are made out to be than I would favor the Electraks a lot more than the Triggers because the Triggers were showing significant wear in the middle at 2200 miles.
 

Stefan Mikes

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Region
Europe
City
Brwinów (PL)
Kam, an observation about Electraks: When they get dusty, they appear as if they were worn. After washing them you realise they got no slightest wear! :)
 

Sierratim

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Region
USA
City
Nevada City, CA & Paradise Valley, AZ
The Electraks are A1. The Triggers were too. They both handle great. I think I prefer the Electraks slightly more because they seem to have slightly less rolling resistance than the Triggers. What I'm trying to say is it feels like the tires roll a little farther and smoother than the triggers. If the wear is what they are made out to be than I would favor the Electraks a lot more than the Triggers because the Triggers were showing significant wear in the middle at 2200 miles.
My rear Trigger Sport tire had worn smooth in the middle section after ~1,500 miles. I ride frequent gravel roads so I tried Smart Sams on both wheels but found they added a bit too much rolling resistance for pavement. At my sons' suggestion I swapped out the rear for the still good Trigger Sport from the front to get a good compromise; lower rolling resistance than Smart Sams all around but still good handling in gravel.

So far, so good! 😎
 

Marcela

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When I measured the mile if I remember correctly the gps wasn't the greatest in accuracy either. The same distance can come up different on the tcd because of how it computes which is a mystery to me. Changing the wheel circumference setting will change the top speed reading on the tcd. When changing the Como to the wrong distance it would read 31 mph. When corrected for distance of the mile it would struggle to make 28 mph.
 

Kam1936

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Update: LBS applied the update tool at the display for the motor. I was standing right next to him and watched. There were three choices 25kmh, 30kmh and 28mph 45kmh. He selected the 28mph. The wheel size said 2000. We left it at that. I took it out for a spin but couldn't break the 19.5 mph threshold. At the display. Mechanic tested it he got similar results. He then changed the wheel size to 2255 prior to the update. He took it out for a test spin. Best he could get according to the display was 22.1 mph. Finally he adjusted the wheel size to the current Electrak tire at 2300 mm. He took it for a spin best he could get was 21 mph. And that is spot on with what GPS was telling me when the display at 2000 mm was saying 19.5 mph. The good: Tire circumference is correct now at 2300 mm. The shop manager knows that the update was initially showing my bike as a LEvo 2000 mm. And that after updating over this update the bike still wouldn't get near 28mph with a skinny youngster/technician, pushing it to its max. So, shop manager is emailing Specialized about the problem asking for what the update entailed, the old firmwares to restore the display and motor prior to the updates offered by MC app. If this isn't possible I'll probably receive a new TCD-w and motor with the old firmware. The bad: it might take awhile for them to fix it. &#$!@%.
 

BEC111

Active Member
Update: LBS applied the update tool at the display for the motor. I was standing right next to him and watched. There were three choices 25kmh, 30kmh and 28mph 45kmh. He selected the 28mph. The wheel size said 2000. We left it at that. I took it out for a spin but couldn't break the 19.5 mph threshold. At the display. Mechanic tested it he got similar results. He then changed the wheel size to 2255 prior to the update. He took it out for a test spin. Best he could get according to the display was 22.1 mph. Finally he adjusted the wheel size to the current Electrak tire at 2300 mm. He took it for a spin best he could get was 21 mph. And that is spot on with what GPS was telling me when the display at 2000 mm was saying 19.5 mph. The good: Tire circumference is correct now at 2300 mm. The shop manager knows that the update was initially showing my bike as a LEvo 2000 mm. And that after updating over this update the bike still wouldn't get near 28mph with a skinny youngster/technician, pushing it to its max. So, shop manager is emailing Specialized about the problem asking for what the update entailed, the old firmwares to restore the display and motor prior to the updates offered by MC app. If this isn't possible I'll probably receive a new TCD-w and motor with the old firmware. The bad: it might take awhile for them to fix it. &#$!@%.
Very sad. Since it’s been snowing for three days here, I can only commiserate in theory, knowing a wait for me would be irrelevant. :)
 

Kam1936

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Very sad. Since it’s been snowing for three days here, I can only commiserate in theory, knowing a wait for me would be irrelevant. :)
I left out other good. I still have my bike to ride until they decide when I need to bring it back for repair. Also, I have another E-bike that gets up to 24mph with a throttle, to ride and take my mind off this.
 

Kam1936

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If you put Electraks Armadillos 2.0 on your Vado make sure the circumference is changed to 2300 mm.(converts in MC to 90.55 in).
 

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Kam1936

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BLEvo is now where it should be 15.6 mph. I never could change that before prior to update. After the update it allowed me to change it to 17.9 mph because of the 2000 mm wheel size input by the firmware.
 

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Kam1936

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Real miles matches miles now and lines up with the display. Keep in mind that when wheel size is changed by LBS it computes as if that was the size of the wheel from the moment it started registering the data.In other words, your odometer (accumulated mileage) will change according to the Specs of the larger tires as if they were on there all along.
 

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Stefan Mikes

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Brwinów (PL)
If you put Electraks Armadillos 2.0 on your Vado make sure the circumference is changed to 2300 mm.(converts in MC to 90.55 in).
In some 10 days, I'm going to ride to the Specialized Brand Store Warsaw. I will ask them to fix the wheel circumference to 2300 mm.
Not. That will wait till the Spring when I replace the Winter Plus tyres with Electraks.

Kam: I was trying to find Real Kilometres for displaying it in BLEvo but cannot find it?
 

Marcela

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I've played with my wheel circumference and watched the tech do it on the computer. When the screen comes up there is a toggle that allows either class 1 or class 3. I remember telling the tech not to touch that one:).

FYI my U.S. bikes

Current Update

Vado 5
7.3.4 7.3.4
7.1.1 7.4.1
13.4.0 16.4.0

Como 5
7.20.0 7.20.0
7.1.1 7.4.1
13.4.0 16.4.0

That's a big jump on the one update. Spec needs to identify what the updates are so we can make the choice. I didn't update:). My stuff is working great and I'll let someone else be the guinea pig. Wonder why the discrepancy on the two batteries. Wonder what would happen if I switched batteries and updated the Como battery to the Vado number.
And the updates have to be done at the dealership.