Specialized Turbo Vado/Como User Club

ronr

Member
Como 3.0 owner. I’d like to lose the seat post and add a suspension post. I’m wondering what I should do about the taillight and what post(s) I should consider. Thanks.
 

Stefan Mikes

Well-Known Member
I made it. ( or the Vado made it) Did not have to call Emergency. Sorry no video to show you so for now you have to take make word.
But is it really 22%? I think I should go back bringing a folding rule.
Thank you very much for the interesting report, @PaD! Whatever the grade is there, the short incline should pose no problem, I guess. Problems with steep ascents begin when the incline is long (the indication of that is the bike going slower and slower...) My 1.2s motor has the same max torque (90 Nm) as your 1.3, Peranders. Yours is stronger (550 vs 520 W) and the amplification factor of the 1.3 is 3.6x while the 1.2s can help you with "3.2 times you!" No doubt the 1.3 has the edge, same as the 40T chainring of your Vado against 48T of mine. The S-Pedelec makes it easy to get at high speed while the "normal" EU Vado 5.0 has the climbing edge. Which is a good thing in Stockholm :)

Would like to try it myself! :D

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I wouldn't wish anybody to make this ascent (although people make it on traditional bikes, very slowly). The majority of inclines is above 8% and that's over 12 km. Very tiresome. We were lucky to be descending there; a lot of fun! People rent "scooters for grown-ups" to be able to get their adrenaline shot there :D

A couple of words about torque: My brother was often getting a "wheelie" when he rode my Vado for his work commutes. Since he was putting a lot of torque into the crank at the green light change (Turbo Mode), the Vado motor was responding with the full 520 W support instantly!

Yet what you can expect from a powerful e-MTB is beyond imagination. SyncDrive motors (especially the Yamaha PW-X2) feature the "Zero Cadence", that is, the motor starts instantly with the foot push on the pedal. Combined with low gearing it may bring unexpected outcome. The first time Jacek got onto the Trance E+, he was thrown out from the saddle as he didn't expect the instant response of the bike! (I guess same could happen to Simon Cowell, you've heard the story for sure).
 

Stefan Mikes

Well-Known Member
Como 3.0 owner. I’d like to lose the seat post and add a suspension post. I’m wondering what I should do about the taillight and what post(s) I should consider. Thanks.
Cirrus Cycles Kinekt 2.1 is the choice of many members of these Forums. It should be the 30.9 mm, "short" version, unless you have exceptionally long legs. The seat-post comes with the springs you order for your weight. I got the "orange" springs installed (as I was very heavy at that time); Cirrus Cycles provided "medium" (black) springs in the box, too (going to replace the springs soon).

The matter of the tail-light was discussed not so long time ago: It is the matter of drilling a single hole in the post and re-routing the cable. I hope one of our experts here could re-iterate on how that's done.

Other suspension seat-posts such as Thudbuster work with elastomer inserts, also weight-selectable. I like and use the Kinekt though. It's perfect!
 

RandallS

Well-Known Member
Thank you very much for the interesting report, @PaD! Whatever the grade is there, the short incline should pose no problem, I guess. Problems with steep ascents begin when the incline is long (the indication of that is the bike going slower and slower...) My 1.2s motor has the same max torque (90 Nm) as your 1.3, Peranders. Yours is stronger (550 vs 520 W) and the amplification factor of the 1.3 is 3.6x while the 1.2s can help you with "3.2 times you!" No doubt the 1.3 has the edge, same as the 40T chainring of your Vado against 48T of mine. The S-Pedelec makes it easy to get at high speed while the "normal" EU Vado 5.0 has the climbing edge. Which is a good thing in Stockholm :)


Would like to try it myself! :D

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I wouldn't wish anybody to make this ascent (although people make it on traditional bikes, very slowly). The majority of inclines is above 8% and that's over 12 km. Very tiresome. We were lucky to be descending there; a lot of fun! People rent "scooters for grown-ups" to be able to get their adrenaline shot there :D

A couple of words about torque: My brother was often getting a "wheelie" when he rode my Vado for his work commutes. Since he was putting a lot of torque into the crank at the green light change (Turbo Mode), the Vado motor was responding with the full 520 W support instantly!

Yet what you can expect from a powerful e-MTB is beyond imagination. SyncDrive motors (especially the Yamaha PW-X2) feature the "Zero Cadence", that is, the motor starts instantly with the foot push on the pedal. Combined with low gearing it may bring unexpected outcome. The first time Jacek got onto the Trance E+, he was thrown out from the saddle as he didn't expect the instant response of the bike! (I guess same could happen to Simon Cowell, you've heard the story for sure).
I no longer try to climb curbs on the highest PAS level with my SyncDrive PW-X2 powered Giant.
You CAN teach an old dog new tricks...
 

PaD

Well-Known Member
Thank you very much for the interesting report, @PaD! Whatever the grade is there, the short incline should pose no problem, I guess. Problems with steep ascents begin when the incline is long (the indication of that is the bike going slower and slower...) My 1.2s motor has the same max torque (90 Nm) as your 1.3, Peranders. Yours is stronger (550 vs 520 W) and the amplification factor of the 1.3 is 3.6x while the 1.2s can help you with "3.2 times you!" No doubt the 1.3 has the edge, same as the 40T chainring of your Vado against 48T of mine. The S-Pedelec makes it easy to get at high speed while the "normal" EU Vado 5.0 has the climbing edge. Which is a good thing in Stockholm :)


Would like to try it myself! :D

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I wouldn't wish anybody to make this ascent (although people make it on traditional bikes, very slowly). The majority of inclines is above 8% and that's over 12 km. Very tiresome. We were lucky to be descending there; a lot of fun! People rent "scooters for grown-ups" to be able to get their adrenaline shot there :D

A couple of words about torque: My brother was often getting a "wheelie" when he rode my Vado for his work commutes. Since he was putting a lot of torque into the crank at the green light change (Turbo Mode), the Vado motor was responding with the full 520 W support instantly!

Yet what you can expect from a powerful e-MTB is beyond imagination. SyncDrive motors (especially the Yamaha PW-X2) feature the "Zero Cadence", that is, the motor starts instantly with the foot push on the pedal. Combined with low gearing it may bring unexpected outcome. The first time Jacek got onto the Trance E+, he was thrown out from the saddle as he didn't expect the instant response of the bike! (I guess same could happen to Simon Cowell, you've heard the story for sure).
Yes the ”incline test” I did was a short ride. I was thinking when I was there that if the ascent is longer then a less steep incline will still be challenging.
 

PaD

Well-Known Member
Como 3.0 owner. I’d like to lose the seat post and add a suspension post. I’m wondering what I should do about the taillight and what post(s) I should consider. Thanks.
The Redshift Shockstop suspension post I showed in post two days ago is 27.2mm so a shim, 27.2 - 30.9mm, is needed for a Vado. It is not included.
You have to take the seatpost out to adjust for rider weight.
Sorry but I have no solution for the taillight.
 

Art Deco

Well-Known Member
The Redshift Shockstop suspension post I showed in post two days ago is 27.2mm so a shim, 27.2 - 30.9mm, is needed for a Vado. It is not included.
You have to take the seatpost out to adjust for rider weight.
Sorry but I have no solution for the taillight.
I just put a cheap battery powered taillight on the rack, I'm hoping to use the prewired rear light power for something else.
 

Brendon@TBSM

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Have about 1800kms on the Vado 5.0, thought I'd clean the drivetrain and do some regular maintenance. It felt like there was some very slight creaking from the motor so I wanted to remove the spider and relube that as well as the motor mount bolts. Additionally the front brake cable was in the way of the Flux 1200 headlight so I wanted to re route that.

Drivetrain cleaned up fine, Chain has about 75% live left, cassette shows wear in the 15 and 13t cogs (no surprise). Thinking an 11/32 is in my future as I'd like to have a 11-12-13-14-15t spread down low.

Lastly I contacted Tannus to see about their liners and they sent me a couple to try. Install was fine, the Velocity Aileron rims are super easy to install tires on though. Pretty obvious there was something in the tire so grip strength helps installing the tire. They spec a tube 20-28c so I might go smaller than a 28/32c tube next time to give more room during install. Overall after the ride home they're a touch less forgiving but riding a 50lb bike at close to 30mph you really don't notice it.
 

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Marci jo

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Have about 1800kms on the Vado 5.0, thought I'd clean the drivetrain and do some regular maintenance. It felt like there was some very slight creaking from the motor so I wanted to remove the spider and relube that as well as the motor mount bolts. Additionally the front brake cable was in the way of the Flux 1200 headlight so I wanted to re route that.

Drivetrain cleaned up fine, Chain has about 75% live left, cassette shows wear in the 15 and 13t cogs (no surprise). Thinking an 11/32 is in my future as I'd like to have a 11-12-13-14-15t spread down low.

Lastly I contacted Tannus to see about their liners and they sent me a couple to try. Install was fine, the Velocity Aileron rims are super easy to install tires on though. Pretty obvious there was something in the tire so grip strength helps installing the tire. They spec a tube 20-28c so I might go smaller than a 28/32c tube next time to give more room during install. Overall after the ride home they're a touch less forgiving but riding a 50lb bike at close to 30mph you really don't notice it.

Wow, that's quite the maintenance process. That's a very lucky ebike :).
I'm happy to keep the tires inflated, clean the chain, and wash it.
But I have a good relationship with the lbs (bring em cookies every so often to stay on their good side. It works!)
 

Brendon@TBSM

Well-Known Member
How do you folks support your Vado while fixing a flat out on the road? I’m out where there really are no trees or benches to prop the bike up on.

Gently lay it on the non drive side. It's a little awkward but you won't hurt the bike. You can lean the bike on it's kickstand to get the rear wheel off the ground, helps drop it out of the dropout. If that makes sense.
 

GuruUno

Active Member
Gently lay it on the non drive side. It's a little awkward but you won't hurt the bike. You can lean the bike on it's kickstand to get the rear wheel off the ground, helps drop it out of the dropout. If that makes sense.

Great info, please provide video to the process, as 'lay it on the non-drive side' and the 'lean it on its kickstand' seem to counter each action...no?
We'd all much appreciate it, as the last thing we hate is to be frazzeld from a flat and scratch or screw up our bikes, right?
 

Brendon@TBSM

Well-Known Member
I would make a video if I had the time.

Literally the thing that sticks out the farthest is the handlebar, lean it over and gently let the bar end touch the ground and the bike should rest on the bar end, maybe pedal and both tires.
 

45srbest

New Member
Just a few more questions folks;
1- when I pick up my Vado 5.0 hopefully next week I know I will check a few things
A- have them take battery in and out a few times to make sure it locks in
B- I’m going to go into mission control while at the dealer to make sure I can
C- ask if all the firmware has been updated (not sure how I can verify this)
Anything else I should verify when there?

2- my other question is what is the difference between a sport setting of 50-50 and a sport setting of 50-100 . I read some things on the forum but I still don’t get it. Simple explanation is the best for this old brain!
Thank you once again for your help folks!