Thoughts Of An Experienced E-Biker

Cowlitz

Well-Known Member
Most comfy bicycle ever for me.
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Going against the wind, I simply adjust the assist level. Going long distances? I go. I've had it on easy trails, on unpaved roads, on paved roads, in the rain, and it is just fine for me. Of course, I grew up riding clunkers and rode my Sears ten speed on what is now deemed only good for mountain bikes. I did get a good mountain bike to commute to work on later because it was low geared enough that I could pedal up the steep road to my house.

Did I say I like this bike?
 

Zekeer

Active Member
Region
USA
From what I have read on seat fitting . Or as stated by the researchers Saddle not seat . Comfort is more about how your sit bones end up . A saddle can be billow cloud comfortable . But if to narrow or to wide . Ends up hurting after a while anyway.
For me I found when I ,after several purchases. Finally took this advice and measured my sit bones using a piece of DIY corrugated cardboard . I am getting enormous comfort from a saddle most would look and think ouch. That looks like it would hurt big time . As there's no padding at all .

I also learned that most riders have their seats to low . Rarely if ever to high .
 
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m@Robertson

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Region
USA
All speech should be free . Who decides what isn't ? Another with a different opinion?
A forum is a private operation and you agree to its terms of use when you sign up. You literally have no rights of free speech on a private forum. You have what the forum allows you to have, and you agree to behave up to a certain standard or else. As an administrator on a huge automotive forum I delivered this lesson to many keyboard commandos over several years of adult babysitting.

With that said, to maintain the integrity of the forum the staff balance their actions. Usually very carefully and deliberately. I personally had a policy of never removing content once it was posted, unless it affected someone's safety or other serious consequence. I also never privately admonished anyone. They got their punishment publicly for all to see. So lots of whining, but it was also clear to all that jerks weren't getting away with being jerks. It also reinforced to all that there were boundaries to stay within.

BUT... that was my call on a different forum. Every forum sets its own rules and manages its membership's conduct as it sees fit. So put away the Free Speech signs. They don't apply in internet discussion.
 

Zekeer

Active Member
Region
USA
A forum is a private operation and you agree to its terms of use when you sign up. You literally have no rights of free speech on a private forum. You have what the forum allows you to have, and you agree to behave up to a certain standard or else. As an administrator on a huge automotive forum I delivered this lesson to many keyboard commandos over several years of adult babysitting.

With that said, to maintain the integrity of the forum the staff balance their actions. Usually very carefully and deliberately. I personally had a policy of never removing content once it was posted, unless it affected someone's safety or other serious consequence. I also never privately admonished anyone. They got their punishment publicly for all to see. So lots of whining, but it was also clear to all that jerks weren't getting away with being jerks. It also reinforced to all that there were boundaries to stay within.

BUT... that was my call on a different forum. Every forum sets its own rules and manages its membership's conduct as it sees fit. So put away the Free Speech signs. They don't apply in internet discussion.
OOH I agree to the degree you mention . It is unfortunate that so many in social media have such thin skins . But it is what it is .
OFFS. Don’t be so naive. Forums are privately owned.
Not naive . After all if there wasn't a monogram of this free speech you say isn't so . You wouldn't be here to spin your insults :)
 

Jason Knight

Active Member
Region
USA
City
Keene, NH
All speech should be free . Who decides what isn't ? Another with a different opinion?
Not "all". Many times the US supreme court has ruled that hate speech isn't protected speech. It fails the metric common to most things people complain "But my rights" where you do not actually have the right to harm or even endanger others.

You see it with 'muricans all the time pissing and moaning about "rights" they can't even explain. See how those waving the flag highest, standing tallest for the tone-deaf anthem, and reciting the ritualistic indoctrinational socialist pledge the loudest are always first in line to trample on every liberty, right, and decency those symbols are supposed to represent. Enshrining four words from the 2nd amendment as if they were a commandment whilst wiping their arse with Article IV and the 1st.

It's why when Americans start running their mouths about their first amendment rights they're almost always wrong. Not only on the international stage where 80%+ of the world has zero damned clue what you're talking about, but also domestically where that right prevents the government from taking action. Has not a single blasted thing to do with what individuals can say or refuse to hear or allow on their property.

Thus if a site owner doesn't like how some people are talking, they are well within their right to kick your ass, my ass, or anybody else's ass out. "Freedom of speech" must also mean freedom from having it shoved down your throat. Same as freedom of -- and from -- the nonsensical fairy tales that are religion and faith. Just because you have the right to go make your own forums, and say whatever the hell you want on it, does not prevent the owners of this site from controlling what's on THEIR platform.

And that really sums up where most people cock-up yelling about their "freedumbs", They seem to think it applies to themselves and their rights, but never once considers the rights of others in their thought processes.
 

Stefan Mikes

Well-Known Member
Region
Europe
City
Mazovia, Poland
Most comfy bicycle ever for me.
Your Gazelle seems to be designed that way.

Now, a word about the firm and narrow saddle. I had to commute to Warsaw for the last three days, and the technical meetings with the company's engineers were to start at 8:30 am; I live in the suburbs. Taking my car was no option: The city was totally clogged in the traffic jam. (A participant was late as his car commute took him an hour instead of a quarter). For two days, I was driving my car to the Park + Ride lot; it took 8 minutes while it takes just 11 minutes on an e-bike. Then I had to take a commuter train and finally a bus: the commute was taking one and half hour or more.

At the end of the second day I asked the participants of the training I was leading whether I could appear in less formal clothes for the last day (explained to them I was intending to commute by a bike), to which they agreed. My morning Vado SL commute of 19 km took me 52 minutes (almost all via bike paths!), and the return against headwind was 20 km in 63 minutes. A car ride would take at least two hours!

I wore jeans, sneakers, a nice shirt & jacket, and a helmet. I was thinking of the Specialized Bridge Sport (a narrow and firm saddle) at the moment I mounted my VSL; and totally forgot about the saddle thing for the rest of my commutes on that day! The ride was just comfy. No need for chamois for a 20 km ride whatsoever! The firm saddle was giving me some leverage for more efficient pedalling!
 

Zekeer

Active Member
Region
USA
Not "all". Many times the US supreme court has ruled that hate speech isn't protected speech. It fails the metric common to most things people complain "But my rights" where you do not actually have the right to harm or even endanger others.

You see it with 'muricans all the time pissing and moaning about "rights" they can't even explain. See how those waving the flag highest, standing tallest for the tone-deaf anthem, and reciting the ritualistic indoctrinational socialist pledge the loudest are always first in line to trample on every liberty, right, and decency those symbols are supposed to represent. Enshrining four words from the 2nd amendment as if they were a commandment whilst wiping their arse with Article IV and the 1st.

It's why when Americans start running their mouths about their first amendment rights they're almost always wrong. Not only on the international stage where 80%+ of the world has zero damned clue what you're talking about, but also domestically where that right prevents the government from taking action. Has not a single blasted thing to do with what individuals can say or refuse to hear or allow on their property.

Thus if a site owner doesn't like how some people are talking, they are well within their right to kick your ass, my ass, or anybody else's ass out. "Freedom of speech" must also mean freedom from having it shoved down your throat. Same as freedom of -- and from -- the nonsensical fairy tales that are religion and faith. Just because you have the right to go make your own forums, and say whatever the hell you want on it, does not prevent the owners of this site from controlling what's on THEIR platform.

And that really sums up where most people cock-up yelling about their "freedumbs", They seem to think it applies to themselves and their rights, but never once considers the rights of others in their thought processes.
Your problem sir is #1 where has the SUPREME COURT ruled on any speech? #2 The Court doesn't make the laws , congress does . #3 Freedom of anything comes from God not man . #4 Most of what people call ##hate speech is what's true . People hate the truth . Freedom from shoving it down your throat ??? LOL Go hide under your bed :) Anyone that tries to control your speech will eventually come for your soul .
 
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Zekeer

Active Member
Region
USA
A forum is a private operation and you agree to its terms of use when you sign up. You literally have no rights of free speech on a private forum. You have what the forum allows you to have, and you agree to behave up to a certain standard or else. As an administrator on a huge automotive forum I delivered this lesson to many keyboard commandos over several years of adult babysitting.

With that said, to maintain the integrity of the forum the staff balance their actions. Usually very carefully and deliberately. I personally had a policy of never removing content once it was posted, unless it affected someone's safety or other serious consequence. I also never privately admonished anyone. They got their punishment publicly for all to see. So lots of whining, but it was also clear to all that jerks weren't getting away with being jerks. It also reinforced to all that there were boundaries to stay within.

BUT... that was my call on a different forum. Every forum sets its own rules and manages its membership's conduct as it sees fit. So put away the Free Speech signs. They don't apply in internet discussion
I see your point . But I also see that there's a lot of double standards in forums . For example when someone says his right is to not have someone's speech and opinion crammed down his throat . He is in turn doing what he's complaining about from another member . And what I see is most forum favor the party who wants his speech heard , but yours silenced . Anyone that takes that position I believe knows he's wrong . Or why would he need what you're saying silenced ?
 

Zekeer

Active Member
Region
USA
Your Gazelle seems to be designed that way.

Now, a word about the firm and narrow saddle. I had to commute to Warsaw for the last three days, and the technical meetings with the company's engineers were to start at 8:30 am; I live in the suburbs. Taking my car was no option: The city was totally clogged in the traffic jam. (A participant was late as his car commute took him an hour instead of a quarter). For two days, I was driving my car to the Park + Ride lot; it took 8 minutes while it takes just 11 minutes on an e-bike. Then I had to take a commuter train and finally a bus: the commute was taking one and half hour or more.

At the end of the second day I asked the participants of the training I was leading whether I could appear in less formal clothes for the last day (explained to them I was intending to commute by a bike), to which they agreed. My morning Vado SL commute of 19 km took me 52 minutes (almost all via bike paths!), and the return against headwind was 20 km in 63 minutes. A car ride would take at least two hours!

I wore jeans, sneakers, a nice shirt & jacket, and a helmet. I was thinking of the Specialized Bridge Sport (a narrow and firm saddle) at the moment I mounted my VSL; and totally forgot about the saddle thing for the rest of my commutes on that day! The ride was just comfy. No need for chamois for a 20 km ride whatsoever! The firm saddle was giving me some leverage for more efficient pedalling!
Good point : Fit our butts not our guts ;)
 

Djangodog

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Region
USA
City
Claremont, NH
Your problem sir is #1 where has the SUPREME COURT ruled on any speech? #2 The Court doesn't make the laws , congress does . #3 Freedom of anything comes from God not man . #4 Most of what people call ##hate speech is what's true . People hate the truth . Freedom from shoving it down your throat ??? LOL Go hide under your bed :) Anyone that tries to control your speech will eventually come for your soul .

#1, The Supreme Court has addressed the First Amendment many times, (you are free to look it up).

#2, Laws can still be challenged as unconstitutional, (through the courts).

#3, Freedoms for all only exist in a free society, (a society that protects freedoms).

#4, Your statement there says a lot about you and you have a right to your opinion, and I have an equal right to be repulsed by you opinion.

Your freedom ends where the next person begins.
 
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Lbrava

Member
Region
USA
A lot of off topic chatter here, but it's the the internet right. Anyway the Op's original post has some good points & I can attest to the fact that there are no unicorns out there. Hopefully the post helps out some new guys/gals just getting into the game. With so much tech & hype put into bikes, motorcycles & cars these days it's real easy to pay for a lot of machine you'll never use or even possibly regret you bought. Anyway a lot wisdom comes with maturity :;)
 

Djangodog

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Region
USA
City
Claremont, NH
A lot of off topic chatter here, but it's the the internet right. Anyway the Op's original post has some good points & I can attest to the fact that there are no unicorns out there. Hopefully the post helps out some new guys/gals just getting into the game. With so much tech & hype put into bikes, motorcycles & cars these days it's real easy to pay for a lot of machine you'll never use or even possibly regret you bought. Anyway a lot wisdom comes with maturity :;)
I don’t know if it was intentional, (you said “Anyway a lot wisdom comes with maturity :”), but the off topic free speech posts began after the word “mature” was censored, (removed from the title. Stefan has since replaced “mature” with “experienced”, but that could be just as easily censored).

It is off topic, but I think that it is a valid topic and pertains to a forum. Of course, the administration has every right to censor, but to some of us, this seemed to be a bit strange. Many threads on here end up getting hijacked. It seems to be the nature of the beast.
 

tomjasz

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Region
USA
City
Minnesnowta
“I heard Allah and Buddha were singing at the Savior's feast
And up in the sky an Arabian rabbi
Fed Quaker Oats to a priest
Pretty good, not bad, they can't complain
'Cause actually all them gods are just about the same”

John Prine