I ran into a Friend who I hadn't seen in years on teh Trails : He was Riding a Como 4 that he'd taken the Fenders off of. He had a Rear rack that mounted to the Frame : Como had places to mount the Rack Support Tubes : It was a Gravel Rode . So when he offered to let me take it for a spin > I didn't take it to top speed > I didn't want to accidentally wipe out on loose gravel with someone else's New Bike.I rode the Vado 4.0 and the Allant+ 7s many times and I loved them both. Whichever one I was riding was my favorite! I did end up deciding on the Allant+ 7s . It seemed to fit me really well. Each bike had something I liked. I loved the silent motor on the Specialized and I really wanted the Mission Control. I also really liked both lbs. I have put almost 200 miles on it in about 2 weeks. I have taken it on some really rough rides and it handles beautifully. I think you would be happy with either choice! They are both great bikes.
Can someone Shed some light on How Noisy the Bosch Gen 4 Motor is
Thanks : It also seems to me Specialized have more problems : Or at least in this forum I see more complaints of issues : I'm leaning more towards Trek because it appears to be a better geometry for meIt's not that noisy at all, but it is noisier than the Brose motor on the Vado (which is practically inaudible). The Brose uses a belt drive in the motor interior, which keeps it surprisingly quiet.
I would describe it as a noticeable hum at slower speeds rather than noisy. Most of the time I don't even notice the sound from the Bosch gen 4 motor. I only notice it when pedaling at a high cadence at high power (sport or turbo). For example, when going up a hill pedaling fast in the higher power modes you can hear the motor humming because you are generally going slower uphill and the wind noise doesn't overcome the motor noise. At higher speeds the wind noise is generally louder than the motor sound and I don't notice the motor in those faster situations even if I'm pedaling in Turbo.
The motor sound doesn't bother me because I have no need to pedal super stealthy. But if you want to pedal with as little sound as possible the Brose might be a better choice.
Good luck!Brose has been extremely unreliable in my experience, see https://electricbikereview.com/forums/threads/turbo-vado-6-0-owners-experience-2-bikes.37425/
I've had two Vado 6.0's and I'm now waiting on an Allant+ 9S as a replacement for another 2 weeks or so. I hope it'll be a better experience than what I've had dealing with Specialized.
Sounds like you have gone thru a lot of Bikes in a short period of Time : What does the eh so so bike for the Alliant +7S mean exactlyI had a Super Commuter +8S (2 of them), good bikes. I had an Allant +9S, OK bike. I had an Allant +7S eh, so so bike.
I now have a Turbo Vado 5 for approximately a little over 6 weeks and almost 1,000 miles.
Having had the bikes I've had and have as well as 2 previous iZip E3 Peak bikes, I can say hands down, the Specialized e-bike to ME so far is the best one I've had.
Sure, I read here and there about the problems with this bike and that bike and to ME it seems like there is no 'perfect' zero issue e-bike, but given MY 1st hand experience, all I can contribute to the conversation is that at this stage of ownership of the multiple bikes, I'd in a heartbeat buy another Specialized.
Does that mean that even if I have any problems down the road I'll feel the same?
That will remain to be seen, as I can attest to the fact that Trek went far and beyond for me to accommodate my needs, complaints and did so in a timely manner....almost......., up to a point (Covid being the culprit).
My ONLY long term concern with Specialized is if they will be as responsive IF need be.
Again, time will tell.
My concern with the Vado Is geometry vs The Alliant : I'm 6'0 tall : The Allaint supposedly has the Trek Dual Sport Geometry . Which fits me Good : Having no way in My State to test one of these : I'm stuck ordering online I see the Vado are still in stock on the website in the Large and X-large I've also considered the COMOWell, it just to me felt like the cheaper version of the Allant 9. (which of course it is)
Surely it is by quite a sum, and although the quality of the components make up that difference, the difference of the 'feel' from aluminum 7 to the carbon 9 just made if feel a little odd.
The primary reason for that acquisition was for the suspension fork, as I'm no fan of the carbon fork on the Allant 9, and the tons of $$ to make the Allant 9 what it 'should' be.
Now, it the Allant + 8S equaled all the components of a 9 +S and being aluminum, it's a no brainer for $1800 less.
I think we'll be seeing prices for e-bikes start leveling off to an acceptable level next spring.
Not many people want to spend more than $3k so if you spend $4, $5, $6 k + expectations (mine anyway) are that it should be a value based purchase with a configuration you want.
When all is said and done, I just think that the Allant was the Edsel of Trek this year and hopefully something better is forthcoming.
And I'm not attemting to piss off anyone who is an Allant owner, my opinions and expressions are just that, my 2 cents.
Is that the OEM saddle?I’m still loving my Allant+7 after almost 600 miles. Only change I might make is a quality suspension handlebar stem as I have a really bum shoulder. The motor is certainly audible but I don’t even notice it anymore and it climbs any hills I’ve encountered easily.
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I’m quite happy with my allant too. For me it’s checked all the boxes and then some. Total freedom and I get to enjoy the great outdoors, something I didn’t always get to do when I lived in NYC for so many years. My allant was a solid stalwart throughout the very dark days of the pandemic in NYC and helped me get my mind off what was going on around me. It never let me down, never left me stranded and never required an unplanned trip to the local Trek store (that ended up getting looted during the riots) hopefully that reliability will continue.I’m still loving my Allant+7 after almost 600 miles. Only change I might make is a quality suspension handlebar stem as I have a really bum shoulder. The motor is certainly audible but I don’t even notice it anymore and it climbs any hills I’ve encountered easily.
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