Wanted: Lightweight (less than 20kg), high Torque (90NM), Motor offering large amount of power 500w+, removable large battery

Aneesa Chaudhry

New Member
Hi everyone
I hope you're all well. I'm trying to find the lightest (13kg without battery), high Torque (90NM), Motor offering large amount of power 500w+, removable large battery possible.
My current bike is 13kg and I can just about lift it up the steep, 45 degree steps into our house. I know I can get great heavier bikes but i've really struggled with the weight of these when trialing them with the walk assist feature.
I need to carry up to 10kg of weight in panniers or in a ruck sac up very steep hills so need a powerful motor and a lot of torque. (I'm still learning about all of this but tried 60nm) and felt i still had to put in a lot of effort on the hills which would just put me off using the bike so it needs to be something manageable.
I've tried a Focus Paralane2 which was lovely and light and about 60nm so pretty good up hills but has no rack and Focus advised against me adding one.
Also, an Ezego commute which was lovely, but struggled up the hills and the walk assist failed up the steps. The 20kg weight was really difficult for me to manage.
So, i'm looking for light and powerful. I know it'll be pricey but am looking for realistic suggestions.
Can anyone make any suggestions? I'm learning lots as I go along from some lovely bike shop owners but I'm not quite there with having found my dream, practical bike yet.
Thank you
 

tomdav

Well-Known Member
I don't think your bike exists. Lighter bikes will have lower power and torque and integrated batteries that are not easily removed. If your current 13kg bike works for you why not something like this?

 

byunbee

Well-Known Member
I'm not sure that such an ebike exists. There are bikes like the new Vado SL that are light-weight, but is half the power you're looking for and it's still 15kg. Turbo Creo SL weighs in at 26.8 lbs (12.15 kg), but again the powers isn't at the level you're looking for and you're going to spend $13,500 + tax.
 

Timpo

Well-Known Member
Hi everyone
I hope you're all well. I'm trying to find the lightest (13kg without battery), high Torque (90NM), Motor offering large amount of power 500w+, removable large battery possible.
My current bike is 13kg and I can just about lift it up the steep, 45 degree steps into our house. I know I can get great heavier bikes but i've really struggled with the weight of these when trialing them with the walk assist feature.
I need to carry up to 10kg of weight in panniers or in a ruck sac up very steep hills so need a powerful motor and a lot of torque. (I'm still learning about all of this but tried 60nm) and felt i still had to put in a lot of effort on the hills which would just put me off using the bike so it needs to be something manageable.
I've tried a Focus Paralane2 which was lovely and light and about 60nm so pretty good up hills but has no rack and Focus advised against me adding one.
Also, an Ezego commute which was lovely, but struggled up the hills and the walk assist failed up the steps. The 20kg weight was really difficult for me to manage.
So, i'm looking for light and powerful. I know it'll be pricey but am looking for realistic suggestions.
Can anyone make any suggestions? I'm learning lots as I go along from some lovely bike shop owners but I'm not quite there with having found my dream, practical bike yet.
Thank you
So are you looking for a 20kg bike or 13kg bike?

sorry I'm a bit confused..

I'm assuming 13kg without the battery and 20kg with the battery?
 

Aneesa Chaudhry

New Member
So are you looking for a 20kg bike or 13kg bike?

sorry I'm a bit confused..

I'm assuming 13kg without the battery and 20kg with the battery?
Hi Timpo
13kg without the battery as I know I can lift that weight up steps. With battery it can be more but I am used to riding fairly lightweight bikes. Thanks
 
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Aneesa Chaudhry

New Member
Wow! This looks amazing but i'm not sure I have the confidence to go for it. Do you know anyone who has?


I don't think your bike exists. Lighter bikes will have lower power and torque and integrated batteries that are not easily removed. If your current 13kg bike works for you why not something like this?

 

Deacon Blues

Well-Known Member
You realize the link you've shown is for a DIY kit and not an ebike?

Honestly, this upcoming ebike comes about as close as possible, with today's technology: https://electricbikereview.com/foru...ifting-shipping-july.33992/page-5#post-279953

The downside is it will weigh 50 pounds, or around 40 pounds with the battery out.
Weight-wise, the Specialized Vado SL meets your needs, except for the power. There is a big difference between 245W and 500W.
 

Alex M

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Wow! This looks amazing but i'm not sure I have the confidence to go for it. Do you know anyone who has?
Nobody has it yet. Indieogogo is what is called crowd-funding project. May or may not come to be.

"Prototype. The project team has a working demo, not the final product. Their ability to begin production may be affected by product development or financial challenges."
 

Timpo

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I don't know if I'd get caught up with the torque number.. Tern GSD for example, is rated at 400 lb cargo capacity and has Bosch mid drive.. which is like 75Nm of torque. It will carry your 10kg (22 lb) of cargo just fine.
 

tomdav

Well-Known Member
You realize the link you've shown is for a DIY kit and not an ebike?

Honestly, this upcoming ebike comes about as close as possible, with today's technology: https://electricbikereview.com/foru...ifting-shipping-july.33992/page-5#post-279953

The downside is it will weigh 50 pounds, or around 40 pounds with the battery out.
Weight-wise, the Specialized Vado SL meets your needs, except for the power. There is a big difference between 245W and 500W.
As much respect as I have for Pushkar, I am a bit cool on this offering. The M600 motor has some shortcomings (noisy with metal reduction gear, below par torque sensing, no aftermarket controller (yet) like the Ultra, no phone app or programming options). It also appears to be assembled in China and I am not sure it will have the same refinement and quality as WW builds to date.

Regardless, she is in UK so I doubt this bike will work for her. I assume she wants a UK complaint pedlec, with 250W nominal (500W peak) and decent torque. I think Brose offers up to 90nm on the Mag S motor but these tend to be used on eMTB like the Turbo Vado. Most of the lighter pedlec bikes in Europe seem to be focusing on lighter weight motors with less torque and power.
 

Timpo

Well-Known Member
Hi Timpo
13kg without the battery as I know I can lift that weight up steps. With battery it can be more but I am used to riding fairly lightweight bikes. Thanks
How much $ are you willing to pay?

There's an option to go titanium.
The PredecoTech Titanio is 31.8 lbs (14.42 kg), including the battery.

 

Timpo

Well-Known Member
^ I was thinking maybe Pushkar from WattWagons can custom make a bike like that, provided that you have a good amount of budget.
 

tomdav

Well-Known Member
That has a Bosch performacne line motor (65nm torque) but I think it might be adequate. You could also look at the Moustache Dimanche 29 with Bosch performance motor. I think they are well under 20kg with battery.

 
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Timpo

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That has a Bosch performacne line motor (65nm torque) but I think it might be adequate. You could also look at the Moustache Dimanche 29 with Bosch performance motor. I think they are well under 20kg with battery.

it says 18.7kg which is 41.2 lbs :)
 

Timpo

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Yamaha Wabash

42.3 lbs (19.18 kg)
 

pmcdonald

Active Member
Hi everyone
I hope you're all well. I'm trying to find the lightest (13kg without battery), high Torque (90NM), Motor offering large amount of power 500w+, removable large battery possible.
My current bike is 13kg and I can just about lift it up the steep, 45 degree steps into our house. I know I can get great heavier bikes but i've really struggled with the weight of these when trialing them with the walk assist feature.
I need to carry up to 10kg of weight in panniers or in a ruck sac up very steep hills so need a powerful motor and a lot of torque. (I'm still learning about all of this but tried 60nm) and felt i still had to put in a lot of effort on the hills which would just put me off using the bike so it needs to be something manageable.
I've tried a Focus Paralane2 which was lovely and light and about 60nm so pretty good up hills but has no rack and Focus advised against me adding one.
Also, an Ezego commute which was lovely, but struggled up the hills and the walk assist failed up the steps. The 20kg weight was really difficult for me to manage.
So, i'm looking for light and powerful. I know it'll be pricey but am looking for realistic suggestions.
Can anyone make any suggestions? I'm learning lots as I go along from some lovely bike shop owners but I'm not quite there with having found my dream, practical bike yet.
Thank you
Can I ask why the need for the big battery?

Your weight requirements put you squarely in the categories of:
  1. lean, light road-focused performance machines like the Alpine Hawk, Orbea Gain, Parlane as you mention, or Turbo Creo - which the balance the demands of 'serious' cyclists for lightweight assistance with lower torque and power outputs, or
  2. lean, stripped down hub bikes like the FLX, Desiknio or Propella - which make their weight and budget savings by basic gearing, small batteries and weaker hub motors.
If you can bump up to 40 lb you'll tick all your other boxes with offerings like the Yamaha's, as @Timpo mentioned above. Punchy motor and full sized battery. Otherwise you should find something in that first category of 'serious' road bikes that will take the necessary commuter accoutrements IF you're willing to assist the lower outputs with some higher leg input.
 

Timpo

Well-Known Member
Can I ask why the need for the big battery?

Your weight requirements put you squarely in the categories of:
  1. lean, light road-focused performance machines like the Alpine Hawk, Orbea Gain, Parlane as you mention, or Turbo Creo - which the balance the demands of 'serious' cyclists for lightweight assistance with lower torque and power outputs, or
  2. lean, stripped down hub bikes like the FLX, Desiknio or Propella - which make their weight and budget savings by basic gearing, small batteries and weaker hub motors.
If you can bump up to 40 lb you'll tick all your other boxes with offerings like the Yamaha's, as @Timpo mentioned above. Punchy motor and full sized battery. Otherwise you should find something in that first category of 'serious' road bikes that will take the necessary commuter accoutrements IF you're willing to assist the lower outputs with some higher leg input.
I think the biggest problem is the weight.. because 90Nm is not hard to achieve.

BBSHD has 160Nm so I was thinking about BBSHD kit with a relatively light bike, but even with custom build, I found it pretty hard to achieve that weight :confused: