Wanting to upgrade my existing Ebike and need help

AHicks

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USA
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Snow Bird - Summer S.E. Michigan, Winter Gulf Coast North Central Fl.
Pretty much spoiled here. Love my KT LCD3 and and Bafang 750c displays. Easily viewed speed and watts currently in use is a big help making decisions regarding gear and PAS level decisions, so the bike may be ridden in the most efficient manner. Kind of a game I play while riding, coaxing the max out of each battery charge. Rest of the info just icing on the cake and seldom used.
 

MrCaspan

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Pretty much spoiled here. Love my KT LCD3 and and Bafang 750c displays. Easily viewed speed and watts currently in use is a big help making decisions regarding gear and PAS level decisions, so the bike may be ridden in the most efficient manner. Kind of a game I play while riding, coaxing the max out of each battery charge. Rest of the info just icing on the cake and seldom used.

I really like that display also but it takes up so much space. There is no where to mount my phone with that screen attached. Just make a bluetooth/wireless controller and use my phone display for that stuff. Seriously feel like controllers are behind the curve here REQUIRING they have to have a screen, Why?
 

Thomas Jaszewski

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Seriously feel like controllers are behind the curve here REQUIRING they have to have a screen, Why?
There are numerous threads across the many eBike forum technical threads where DIY fellows have gone without a display on the handlebars, or in some cases hiding the display somewhere on the bike.
 

MrCaspan

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There are numerous threads across the many eBike forum technical threads where DIY fellows have gone without a display on the handlebars, or in some cases hiding the display somewhere on the bike.
Yeah I was reading some of those but they are hacks.. It shoudl be a standard that either with a cable or Bluetooth wireless program the controller and an up down button to select a profile. This is just me being an IT guy imagining how to simplify something!
 

Timpo

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Yeah I was reading some of those but they are hacks.. It shoudl be a standard that either with a cable or Bluetooth wireless program the controller and an up down button to select a profile. This is just me being an IT guy imagining how to simplify something!
Yeah I know aesthetics is super important for tech guys.
I've seen so many articles and interviews how someone like Steve Jobs was extremely picky about clean and simple look.

I imagine other tech guys like Elon Musk have similar opinions.

Although I personally like having a controller, I don't want anything big.
That's why I like the minimalist look of EggRider.
 

AHicks

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Snow Bird - Summer S.E. Michigan, Winter Gulf Coast North Central Fl.
Opposing viewpoint. I don't even own a smartphone.....and have no intention of dealing with something like that to see how many watts I'm pulling at any given moment.
 

Timpo

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Opposing viewpoint. I don't even own a smartphone.....and have no intention of dealing with something like that to see how many watts I'm pulling at any given moment.
It really is.

Because engineers who built Shinkansen bullet train and TransRapid maglev think clean and simple look is very important for engineering achievement.
On the other hand, there are other guys who like the so called "low tech" look of steam locomotive. They think high tech is boring.

Same as state of the art aircrafts from Airbus and Boeing.
They're going for glass cockpit to cut all the gauges and clutters, and more clean fuselage.
On the other hand, there are tons of people who prefer classic aircrafts with physical gauges and rivets on fuselage.

When it comes to ebikes, there are people who like to show all the wirings and components. In fact, Justin (owner of Grin Technologies) said on interview that many customers like clear case for Phaserunner to show all the things inside.. I assume this was the case for Luna Cycles clear battery.

So, to each their own.
 

MrCaspan

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Opposing viewpoint. I don't even own a smartphone.....and have no intention of dealing with something like that to see how many watts I'm pulling at any given moment.
Well if you can imagine how much information you can get from a very low powered display imagine what you could do with a device connected to the cloud. You could connect your bike into cloud learning and it could perfectly adjust your motor controller on the fly 1000x a second for the optimal performance based on sitting standing wind, jumping.. It's just that way my brain thinks l :) no problem with screens
 
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There is no where to mount my phone with that screen attached. Just make a bluetooth/wireless controller and use my phone display for that stuff. Seriously feel like controllers are behind the curve here REQUIRING they have to have a screen, Why?
Hi Mr. C- I read a post on a bike forum warning mounting your phone to your handle bars- the rattling damages your camera and it starts having issues with camera focus. I used to put my phone on my bike but took it off now after hearing that.
 

legsofbeer

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Just make a bluetooth/wireless controller and use my phone display for that stuff. Seriously feel like controllers are behind the curve here REQUIRING they have to have a screen, Why?
I dismount and lock up my bike outdoors at least six hundred times a year. There is no way I can do that and not at least once a year forget to remove my phone, and I doubt anyone else could either. So far I have at least once forgotten to turn off the battery via key.
 

MrCaspan

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Hi Mr. C- I read a post on a bike forum warning mounting your phone to your handle bars- the rattling damages your camera and it starts having issues with camera focus. I used to put my phone on my bike but took it off now after hearing that.
Great point. I guess for phones with OIS this could be an issue.
 

legsofbeer

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You could connect your bike into cloud learning and it could perfectly adjust your motor controller on the fly 1000x a second for the optimal performance based on sitting standing wind, jumping
Hard pass. I don't want my bike affected by AWS and router glitches, and I sure as f*ck don't want forced upgrades (oh, you want to go now? Upgrade is 20% installed, stand by for reboot in 30 minutes) Had an android phone pull this on me right when I needed to use it.

Not to mention the tracking of usage patterns and sale of the data.
 

MrCaspan

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So here's where I am .. Looks like I am going to go EggRider v2 its the right minimalist display I wanted. Now I have to pair a controller with it for my hub motor with a Higo Z910 plug on it. What would you suggest for a controller that would have tons of power for my motor.. I know I could burn out my motor if I don't set limits using the EggRider. I would rather have a more powerful controller working at 60% all day then a lower power controller working at 100% all day.

Any suggestions for a controller that would have compatibility for the EggRider v2 (higo 5 pin) for the screen and higo Z910 for the motor and lets say 30A controller that will give me 1260 watts
 
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Thomas Jaszewski

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So here's where I am .. Looks like I am going to go EggRider v2 its the right minimalist display I wanted. Now I have to pair a controller with it for my hub motor with a Higo Z910 plug on it. What would you suggest for a controller that would have tons of power for my motor.. I know I could burn out my motor if I don't set limits using the EggRider. I would rather have a more powerful controller working at 60% all day then a lower power controller working at 100% all day.

Any suggestions for a controller that would have compatibility for the EggRider v2 (higo 5 pin) for the screen and higo Z910 for the motor and lets say 30A controller that will give me 1260 watts
EggRider has a good compatibility list and a very helpful Facebook page.
 

Timpo

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So here's where I am .. Looks like I am going to go EggRider v2 its the right minimalist display I wanted. Now I have to pair a controller with it for my hub motor with a Higo Z910 plug on it. What would you suggest for a controller that would have tons of power for my motor.. I know I could burn out my motor if I don't set limits using the EggRider. I would rather have a more powerful controller working at 60% all day then a lower power controller working at 100% all day.

Any suggestions for a controller that would have compatibility for the EggRider v2 (higo 5 pin) for the screen and higo Z910 for the motor and lets say 30A controller that will give me 1260 watts
I thought you're going for the Baserunner?
Did Grin give you an answer whether or not it would work with the EggRider?

If you're concerned about connectors, I think Grin can put whatever connector you prefer.
Grin's controllers aren't mass produced by robots, they're hand made.
Connecting whatever the plug you have on EggRider shouldn't be that hard.
(I'm sure they would still need the wiring positions though)

Here's a factory tour of Grin Technologies.
Watch @ approx. 59:31 in the video.
Their controllers are hand made.

 

MrCaspan

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I thought you're going for the Baserunner?
Did Grin give you an answer whether or not it would work with the EggRider?

If you're concerned about connectors, I think Grin can put whatever connector you prefer.
Grin's controllers aren't mass produced by robots, they're hand made.
Connecting whatever the plug you have on EggRider shouldn't be that hard.
(I'm sure they would still need the wiring positions though)

Here's a factory tour of Grin Technologies.
Watch @ approx. 59:00 in the video.
Their controllers are hand made.
I was told it could possibly work but it would be shoehorned in. I would need to use the TRS connector to get TX and RX then steal +/- from another wire and they said in the end I would only get throttle no PAS. Then I looked at ACI as they are 2 blocks away from me and this BAC855 controller but it's more ment to be sold as a kit by manufacturer and pre setup with all the specs for your motor etc and is $600 for the dev kit. They said very soon their new down tube controller would be out and possibly consumer software to programme it with.

So I'm just going to a generic controller with the EggRidder v2
 

Timpo

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I was told it could possibly work but it would be shoehorned in. I would need to use the TRS connector to get TX and RX then steal +/- from another wire and they said in the end I would only get throttle no PAS. Then I looked at ACI as they are 2 blocks away from me and this BAC855 controller but it's more ment to be sold as a kit by manufacturer and pre setup with all the specs for your motor etc and is $600 for the dev kit. They said very soon their new down tube controller would be out and possibly consumer software to programme it with.

So I'm just going to a generic controller with the EggRidder v2
What did you mean by ACI? Did you mean ASI?

Anyways, BAC855 controller is $600? :oops:

Because Luna sells BAC800 for $50.

The BAC800 is 72V though, so BAC500 would be better, but for some reason Luna does not sell it.
 

MrCaspan

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What did you mean by ACI? Did you mean ASI?

Anyways, BAC855 controller is $600? :oops:

Because Luna sells BAC800 for $50.
Yes sorry ASI, they sell to anyone that wants a controller But yes that price is right $600. It comes with engineering support and again is meant to be used by a manufacturer that would pair this controller with a motor and use their software to have it all preset up. It can be used by a normal user but they only sell it in this way.