Washington State to allow bikes to "yield" at stop signs

ChezCheese:)

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Long ago I decided that if I wanted the rights of a car driver, I had to also accept the responsibilities of a car driver. Like obeying the rules of the road and such. As I said earlier, the maintenance of momentum thing is not so important on an ebike.

Remember this: saving a bit of time by blowing through a stop sign could lose you a lifetime. And anybody who thinks you look like a dork in your bright clothes and helmet - - none of them are going to be carrying your groceries for you or wiping your backside if you get put in a wheelchair when a driver doesn't see you in your "too cool to care" stealth clothing.
 

Hectors Ghost

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"too cool to care" stealth clothing.
"Too cool to care"... What does that mean? Do you think people that choose less than neon colors do it to "be cool"? I think it's quite the opposite. I believe lycra-clad peacocks are less concerned with being seen for safety sake and more concerned with just being seen, moving, or not. Do you realize there are between 15 and 20 million Americans that are color blind? Vivid, bright, and garish clothing won't do anything to mitigate the risk of riding around them while they drive. It has been proven that bright helmets do help with safety, but the biggest factor in being seen on a bike isn't color as much as lights and reflectors. The clothing I ride in the is clothing I live in. I don't have a single piece of clothing that I only wear while riding... that just seems silly to me. When I am riding somewhere that I am worried about not being seen I don lighted and reflective gear, the same gear I wear while walking in those same conditions. "Too cool to care"... seems like you have lumped a lot of riders together because they just don't want to look... well, ridiculous.
Ride Safe.
 

J.R.

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Cycling safely has more to do with infrastructure and the culture of the road than it does bright clothes and even helmets. I always wear a helmet and I try to be as conspicuous as possible when on the road. In the Netherlands most cyclists don't have to do either due to good infrastructure and a culture that bikes are equal to cars. It's not wheels rolling down the road, it's people! You don't want to pay the price of hitting a cyclist in the Netherlands.

 

Hectors Ghost

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Cycling safely has more to do with infrastructure and the culture of the road than it does bright clothes and even helmet...
What you have said might be true... but not everywhere. Using The Netherlands as an example of bike riding doesn't work that well when their system is so far from normal riding conditions for most of the rest of the world. Not better in my opinion just different and overly congested to be sure. In America, bikes Are equal to cars and are entitled to share the road surface equally except on interstates.

Google search: " In 2019, nearly 203 cyclists were killed in traffic in the Netherlands. This was a steep increase compared to 2008 and one of the highest number of cyclists killed in traffic accidents in the ten-year period surveyed here. In total, there were roughly 660 road fatalities in 2019. "
 

J.R.

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What you have said might be true... but not everywhere. Using The Netherlands as an example of bike riding doesn't work that well when their system is so far from normal riding conditions for most of the rest of the world. Not better in my opinion just different and overly congested to be sure. In America, bikes Are equal to cars and are entitled to share the road surface equally except on interstates.

Google search: " In 2019, nearly 203 cyclists were killed in traffic in the Netherlands. This was a steep increase compared to 2008 and one of the highest number of cyclists killed in traffic accidents in the ten-year period surveyed here. In total, there were roughly 660 road fatalities in 2019. "
You're making the same argument I'm making. I agree.
 

Kayakguy

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I think this is good news that will result in fewer accidents overall as long as the insurance statistics support this conclusion.

Can you post the link to the referenced article?
Google Bellingham Herald archives. The story was on Sept. 14.
 

ChezCheese:)

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Kitsap Co, WA
Cycling safely has more to do with infrastructure and the culture of the road than it does bright clothes and even helmets. I always wear a helmet and I try to be as conspicuous as possible when on the road. In the Netherlands most cyclists don't have to do either due to good infrastructure and a culture that bikes are equal to cars. It's not wheels rolling down the road, it's people! You don't want to pay the price of hitting a cyclist in the Netherlands.

That video is trippy. It's like watching steelies streaming down à pachinko machine...
 

BlackHand

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Western WA
Ugh.

Running a red light and not wearing a helmet: not a good combination.