Where E-bikes are Made, and Why it's Important

Big Tom

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China is perfectly capable of manufacturing quality products. They manufacture iPhones, after all. If a US or other company uses a Chinese contract manufacturer, it is up to them (the customer) to impose quality requirements on the manufacturer and to audit them regularly. But supply chain management is no easy task, nor is manufacturing a quality product in China. It is not something a small company could likely do easily. Which is why the Apples of the world can afford to do this, but the smaller, startup companies, not so much.

Anyone old enough to have lived through the 50's - 70's will recall that the 'Made in Japan' label was a mark of shame. That has not been the case since the late 70's. Which car is most likely to last a quarter million miles with minimal repairs - a Japanese or US made car. Yes, I know many Japanese branded cars are assembled in the US. But the Japanese company controls the supply chain and is ultimately responsible for the overall quality.
Agree 100%
 

Trail Cruiser

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China is perfectly capable of manufacturing quality products. They manufacture iPhones, after all. If a US or other company uses a Chinese contract manufacturer, it is up to them (the customer) to impose quality requirements on the manufacturer and to audit them regularly. But supply chain management is no easy task, nor is manufacturing a quality product in China. It is not something a small company could likely do easily. Which is why the Apples of the world can afford to do this, but the smaller, startup companies, not so much.

Anyone old enough to have lived through the 50's - 70's will recall that the 'Made in Japan' label was a mark of shame. That has not been the case since the late 70's. Which car is most likely to last a quarter million miles with minimal repairs - a Japanese or US made car. Yes, I know many Japanese branded cars are assembled in the US. But the Japanese company controls the supply chain and is ultimately responsible for the overall quality.

History shaped the culture of Japan and even solidified it in their laws. Many people prefer a car completely assembled in Japan since it has the most stringent quality control.

Sadly, the opposite is true in China and most Chinese people even avoid Chinese-made cars. They know first hand that there is not much incentive in building quality products. Most Chinese manufacturers (not all) rather prefer the shot term high profit margin over the long term solid business relation with customers.
 

rannyv

Active Member
I have worked with Chinese manufacturers and know first hand what they are capable of. If they are held to high standards and are paid to do so, they can make a high quality product. They can also make cheap products. A co-worker purchased a $1000 Chinese ebike and rides it 40 miles round trip per day, 5 days a week. He is a big, strong man and the frame broke in less than a year. That's what you get for $1000. But if you pay the money and control the quality, my first hand experience is that they are capable of producing high quality products at lower prices.
 

rich c

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History shaped the culture of Japan and even solidified it in their laws. Many people prefer a car completely assembled in Japan since it has the most stringent quality control.

Sadly, the opposite is true in China and most Chinese people even avoid Chinese-made cars. They know first hand that there is not much incentive in building quality products. Most Chinese manufacturers (not all) rather prefer the shot term high profit margin over the long term solid business relation with customers.
Even if 3/4 of Chinese people avoid Chinese made cars, they still sell a lot of cars.
 

Trail Cruiser

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Here is a glimpse of the car industry in China, Many of them are blatant knock offs of reputable brands, and altering the name a little bit but sounds a little bit similar to the real brand. This is not to destroy the image of China, it's just an observation by these 2 foreigners.


 
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Trail Cruiser

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Where the parts are made or the whole units are made, it matters if you run the risk of having fake components. There are countries that can hardly stop the manufacture of fake products.

There are countries that do not adhere to international patent and trademak laws. Critical parts like fake bearings can end up in sudden catastrophic failures.


 
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rannyv

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The question at hand is not 'Do certain countries make some poor quality products?' or 'Do they ever engage in any unethical business practices?'. It is 'Are they capable of manufacturing to a high standard of quality at a low price point?'. It is my belief, based on first hand experiences dealing with the Chinese, in China, at Chinese factories, that the answer is yes, they can most certainly do this.
 

Paul1839

New Member
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USA
Hi fellow E-bike riders. I just bought a new KBO breeze and it will arrive June 29th, I have a Ride 1up 500 series and I’m having a lot of grinding noise coming from the hub motor ( gear slipping) when the grinding happens ( intermittent) but it is happening more often. My question is Ride1up and KBO breeze look the same ( I don’t mind that) but will it have the same motor? My local bike shop won’t work on it, they say can’t get the parts. This will be my last E-bike, thanks for reading, be safe and pedal on.
 

PatriciaK

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USA
City
Pacific Northwest and Piedmont Triad
Hi fellow E-bike riders. I just bought a new KBO breeze and it will arrive June 29th, I have a Ride 1up 500 series and I’m having a lot of grinding noise coming from the hub motor ( gear slipping) when the grinding happens ( intermittent) but it is happening more often. My question is Ride1up and KBO breeze look the same ( I don’t mind that) but will it have the same motor? My local bike shop won’t work on it, they say can’t get the parts. This will be my last E-bike, thanks for reading, be safe and pedal on.
Paul, you might want to put this post in the Ride 1 Up forum, or other forum better related to your issue. This thread has nothing to do with your question, so you're not likely to get much helpful feedback here...
 

tomjasz

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Argh! I fell for another necro thread. I actually emphasize those struggling eBike owners not having forum experience until they’re in a panic and go Googling.

it was also a thread I’d missed and I liked the OP.
 

Merle Nelson

Active Member
Region
USA
Tom I saw you posted elsewhere about switching emotors/preference. Haven't had a chance to check back yet, do you explain the why and wherefore anywhere?

(With kit builds in mind.)
 

tomjasz

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Tom I saw you posted elsewhere about switching emotors/preference. Haven't had a chance to check back yet, do you explain the why and wherefore anywhere?

(With kit builds in mind.)
I really liked my BBSHD motors but they are a massive overkill for me riding habits. And I have no hills to climb. I still ride a BBS01B 250W. A safe and sane, for me, speed range limited to <20MPH. My 2014 BBS01A 350W 36V is still running well.

however I have 36v, 48v, and 52v batteries. I bought a couple of MAC motors and Grin controllers that work with all my batteries. Going forward any new battery will be EM3ev 36v.
 

Merle Nelson

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Region
USA
I really liked my BBSHD motors but they are a massive overkill for me riding habits. And I have no hills to climb. I still ride a BBS01B 250W. A safe and sane, for me, speed range limited to <20MPH. My 2014 BBS01A 350W 36V is still running well.

however I have 36v, 48v, and 52v batteries. I bought a couple of MAC motors and Grin controllers that work with all my batteries. Going forward any new battery will be EM3ev 36v.
Ah, thanks. Great to understand.
 

Comfortably Numb

Active Member
The question at hand is not 'Do certain countries make some poor quality products?' or 'Do they ever engage in any unethical business practices?'. It is 'Are they capable of manufacturing to a high standard of quality at a low price point?'. It is my belief, based on first hand experiences dealing with the Chinese, in China, at Chinese factories, that the answer is yes, they can most certainly do this.
I'm old enough (unfortunately, or otherwise, the way things are going) to remember when Made in Japan
meant JUNK. Throw enough $$$ at China and they will make decent stuff soon. CN
 

Merle Nelson

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Region
USA
Maybe your right. However have you ever heard the story of Deming as his influence pertains to Japan? And, I have also heard that when a Japanese company plans for the future it can be 350 years out. Not sure if these were just great stories to illustrate a point - I wasn't there in person.


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MartsEbike

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Maybe your right. However have you ever heard the story of Deming as his influence pertains to Japan? And, I have also heard that when a Japanese company plans for the future it can be 350 years out. Not sure if these were just great stories to illustrate a point - I wasn't there in person.


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I watched an advert a few weeks ago by a Japanese company. It had every single employee in it. All standing there while the CEO at the front spoke to camera and made an apology because they had to raise the price - the first time they did so in 16 years!

Feels like another world.... You just couldn't imagine Western companies ever doing that.... a completely different mindset on life.
 

Merle Nelson

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Region
USA
Yes, thing after thing like that. Most of which mean far more than $ to humans as far as I can tell. It all coalesces and pretty soon you have something more far reaching than the sum of its parts.

Or, you dump melamine in the dog food as an extender and see how far that takes you in business life. :)