Which bike should i get Juiced Cross Current - Rize RX - Voltbike Yukon.

Sean C.

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Undecided which bike to get the Juiced Cross Current - Rize RX - Voltbike Yukon. Due to Covid bikes are selling quickly so I want to make order next few days. I use bikes to commute to work approx 7km. Any assistance greatly appreciated
 

theemartymac

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Are you comparing the Rize X (rear hub - fat wheel) or the RX (Mid drive - MTB wheel)?

There is a big price difference between them.

The Yukon is probably the best entry level price point on a fat 750 hub. The Juiced is a nice setup for shorter tarmac commutes and can come with a 52V battery (but smaller AH). The RX mid drive is a significantly different power class over them both and priced $1000 more. Each would have distinct advantages depending on your riding style and goals.
 

Timpo

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Undecided which bike to get the Juiced Cross Current - Rize RX - Voltbike Yukon. Due to Covid bikes are selling quickly so I want to make order next few days. I use bikes to commute to work approx 7km. Any assistance greatly appreciated
If you want to get your ebike quickly, I don't know if I'd recommend you getting a Voltbike.
Even before pandemic, their (realistic) average shipping time was 1.5 to 2 months.
I don't know if Rize or Juiced would be any better, in terms of shipping speed.
 

theemartymac

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If you want to get your ebike quickly, I don't know if I'd recommend you getting a Voltbike.
Even before pandemic, their (realistic) average shipping time was 1.5 to 2 months.
I don't know if Rize or Juiced would be any better, in terms of shipping speed.
Unless the Rize site shows stock today, they have been restocking 2-3 months out all year. Most folks end up in the 2-month order window.
 

ElevenAD

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the Rize RX is in a whole different league, its a 1000watt middrive compared to a 750watt hub drive! of course buy the RizeRX, did you mean Rize X?

also my Rize RX actually showed up a few days early,the Bike is a steal and the longer i have it the more i realize this.
 

Timpo

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Undecided which bike to get the Juiced Cross Current - Rize RX - Voltbike Yukon. Due to Covid bikes are selling quickly so I want to make order next few days. I use bikes to commute to work approx 7km. Any assistance greatly appreciated
How much are you willing to pay?

HillEater has a bike in stock.

However HillEater isn't cheap because they use Canadian components.
GMAC motor, Phaserunner controller, 52V battery (72V option available) etc.
 

Sean C.

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I was planning spend approx $2,500 CAD, is it worth paying extra cash on RX compared to X ? I don't mind waiting 8 weeks that's why I want to order bike next few days.
 

Clueless

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I really like my Voltbike Yukon 750 Limited
I’m Canadian and wanted to support a Canadian company.
 

theemartymac

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I was planning spend approx $2,500 CAD, is it worth paying extra cash on RX compared to X ? I don't mind waiting 8 weeks that's why I want to order bike next few days.
If you can afford an 1000w Ultra mid-drive, they are absolutely worth the extra money. The Rize RX has both torque AND cadence sensors, 1000W power, 19.5 AH battery, and power for days! I have both, and the Ultra Mid is a monster for the money. The 750's are still great bikes if you are budget limited.

Bitrix also carries a few similar Ultra Mids and 750 Hub bikes, but not sure about stock either. They are also Canadian. If you want a full suspension, the juggernaut FS is a popular option without getting above the 4K price point. But the regular mids are awesome if you want the best bang for the buck between 2-3K CAD.
 

Sean C.

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If you can afford an 1000w Ultra mid-drive, they are absolutely worth the extra money. The Rize RX has both torque AND cadence sensors, 1000W power, 19.5 AH battery, and power for days! I have both, and the Ultra Mid is a monster for the money. The 750's are still great bikes if you are budget limited.

Bitrix also carries a few similar Ultra Mids and 750 Hub bikes, but not sure about stock either. They are also Canadian. If you want a full suspension, the juggernaut FS is a popular option without getting above the 4K price point. But the regular mids are awesome if you want the best bang for the buck between 2-3K CAD.
Do you need change settings to get 1000 Watts from motor?
 

theemartymac

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Do you need change settings to get 1000 Watts from motor?
Not on the Ultra Series Motors. They are factory rated at 1000W nominal, 1500W peak. Some guys with custom controllers unlock them and boost them to more, but you can't get that deep in the programming on the newest gen. There is some customization possible with a programming cable and the free software, but the core firmware and peak power limits must be done with a factory authorized software login. I've heard suggestions that MAYBE Bitrix will help you unlock the Ultras?

The 750W Hub Rize bikes are unlockable with the factory pin code, and it is included in the manual. Definitely opens up the top speed by a noticeable amount, but the stock Ultra is still 10kph faster out of the box., I have the cable and software to play with mine in the spring, but I haven't modified it yet as I want to get through most of the warranty period before I start tinkering too deep.
 

Timpo

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Not on the Ultra Series Motors. They are factory rated at 1000W nominal, 1500W peak. Some guys with custom controllers unlock them and boost them to more, but you can't get that deep in the programming on the newest gen. There is some customization possible with a programming cable and the free software, but the core firmware and peak power limits must be done with a factory authorized software login. I've heard suggestions that MAYBE Bitrix will help you unlock the Ultras?

The 750W Hub Rize bikes are unlockable with the factory pin code, and it is included in the manual. Definitely opens up the top speed by a noticeable amount, but the stock Ultra is still 10kph faster out of the box., I have the cable and software to play with mine in the spring, but I haven't modified it yet as I want to get through most of the warranty period before I start tinkering too deep.
Don't quote me on this, I used to think that 1000W was the factory rating for Ultra, but it seems that some ebike companies are rating Ultra as 750W.

I believe WattWagons Ultra is 750W 20mph by default. (upgradable to 2300W nominal, 3000W max)
Sondors Ultra is again, 750W by default.
In addition, if I'm not wrong, Luna Apollo Ultra is 750W by default (2000W "ludicrous" tune available)
 

theemartymac

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Don't quote me on this, I used to think that 1000W was the factory rating for Ultra, but it seems that some ebike companies are rating Ultra as 750W.

I believe WattWagons Ultra is 750W 20mph by default. (upgradable to 2300W nominal, 3000W max)
Sondors Ultra is again, 750W by default.
In addition, if I'm not wrong, Luna Apollo Ultra is 750W by default (2000W "ludicrous" tune available)
Yes, I've also seen some references to some being detuned to comply with regional regulations. Rize does not adjust the tune on domestic sales as there is no real enforcement in Canada. I have no idea which brands do it, and whether or not they might unlock it for you, but it's always worth asking. I know Luna does that monster tune for a fee, but there are reports that those extreme tunes definitely shorten the motor life. I can only image what they do to drivetrain wear! lol.
 

Sean C.

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The rize rx is nearly sold, only available in red. Would I regret not buying it if I got the rize x. Is it worth extra cash?
 

Bubba zanetti

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Just about to ride mine. Waiting for full charge. But from the stats it is worth it. Beautiful in red. Photos don’t do it justice.

How heavy are you? Got hills? Those are my reasons...
 

theemartymac

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The rize rx is nearly sold, only available in red. Would I regret not buying it if I got the rize x. Is it worth extra cash?
I do believe it's worth the extra cash if you have it to spend, but the other bike is quite good too. The mid is just faster and FAR more powerful on the hills. Like, double the effective power because of the mechanical advantage of the gears. And 55-60Kph out of the box with throttle.

And mine is red and I like the red a lot. My x is black and it's nice but shows dirt and oil easily. You won't be disappointed with either one, unless you live in North Van or Seattle-like cities, where the mid drive will justify itself in no time.
 

Sean C.

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I do believe it's worth the extra cash if you have it to spend, but the other bike is quite good too. The mid is just faster and FAR more powerful on the hills. Like, double the effective power because of the mechanical advantage of the gears. And 55-60Kph out of the box with throttle.

And mine is red and I like the red a lot. My x is black and it's nice but shows dirt and oil easily. You won't be disappointed with either one, unless you live in North Van or Seattle-like cities, where the mid drive will justify itself in no time.
Live in Toronto my trip is up and down, long 500m 30 degree slopes. My old ebike used throttle going up as it was hard cycle at end of day.