Why do I always know better?

ruffruff

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I think his response had a whole lot more to do with the tired, old, narrow-minded and absolutely predictable broken record that was playing. If it was anyone else, I'm sure a discussion would have ensued.

Don't bring up our mutual heritage. You give Poles a bad name. Your obnoxious attitude is all on you but equating your miserable outlook in any way with Polish sensibilities crosses the line into disgusting.
Hey my Grandfather's last name is Prizbrowski!
He pronounced it Shubrushski....I could never find it in the phonebook.
 

Stefan Mikes

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Europe
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Brwinów (PL)
America: The biggest & greatest. MAGA :D
A $900 Chinese disaster.
Cannot understand how comes Specialized, Trek and Cannondale are (at least nominally) American companies...
@ruffruff: One of the U.S. Senators was Barbara Mikulski. You should know how to pronounce my last name :D
 

Gionnirocket

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USA
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Y. O.
I think carrying a voltmeter to determine the state of charge is rather pathetic. Even my cheapest Czech e-bike equipped with a Chinese hub-drive motor has had a display you could trust.
Now, I wonder how long trips you are taking on your 20" fat bike folders, as my US$1,900 hub-drive 250 W Lovelec let me ride this:

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March 17, 2020.
It's amazing the motivation you have with the seat removed.
Now it makes sense why you are so fond of a dropper post.... How many levers have you worn out?
 
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mjeds

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USA
If a $1000 ebike gets you off the couch and into a great recreational activity....sign me up.

I bought a sort of budget bike for my first bike. A Biktrix Juggernaut at the time was $1700.
It's still my winter/fat tire beater and I still enjoy riding it. Would I love a Norco Bigfoot for $5700? Sure. Can I afford it NO!
Do I still get off the couch and ride all winter on my Biktrix? YES!
bought my kid a $699 Rattan Challenger with a 250watt motor for Christmas 2020, she has put 3,400 miles on it without a single issue.

it did 2 things for us. got her and I to connect and bond as we ride together on the weekends and it gets her to school and back (11 miles) several days a week since she has no interest in driving.

@$700 I am not concerned about it getting stolen or damaged, it works for her needs and allows her to join me on the weekends for a nice 30-40 mile ride. it gets 55 miles out of the battery humming along at 18-20mph for 40 miles. IMO a good $700 investment.
 

Stefan Mikes

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Europe
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Brwinów (PL)
bought my kid a $699 Rattan Challenger with a 250watt motor for Christmas 2020, she has put 3,400 miles on it without a single issue.

it did 2 things for us. got her and I to connect and bond as we ride together on the weekends and it gets her to school and back (11 miles) several days a week since she has no interest in driving.

@$700 I am not concerned about it getting stolen or damaged, it works for her needs and allows her to join me on the weekends for a nice 30-40 mile ride. it gets 55 miles out of the battery humming along at 18-20mph for 40 miles. IMO a good $700 investment.
I wonder why you people don't just ride traditional bikes. $700 buys you something good.
mjeds: Trust me: I know your truly inspiring story! Time for a good e-bike now?
 

mjeds

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USA
I wonder why you people don't just ride traditional bikes. $700 buys you something good.
mjeds: Trust me: I know your truly inspiring story! Time for a good e-bike now?

well as I stated in the past, I started with an e-bike because at my weight a traditional bike would have been discouraging. no way I would have used it to commute to and from work 50 miles a day and put over 30,000 miles on it in 18 months.

at the time I bought what I could afford and what met my needs.

as for my kid, well she wanted to join me on weekend rides, so purchasing her an acoustic bike while I had an e-bike would be a bit unfair as I would leave her in the dust. so I bought her what I could afford for her at the time that would allow her to keep pace.


that being said...

my Cyrusher has been an excellent bike, it has a bit over 30,000 miles on it now. and I'm over the fat tire e-bike thing.

3 days ago I purchased a Diamondback Current, I was looking at the Yamaha Civante and the Specialized CreoSL

I rode the Yamaha at a local motorcycle dealer, it was pretty much perfect to me, but I did not like the design and the fat battery on the down tube.
I tried the CreoSL and liked it, didn't care for the $7,000 price tag.

The Bike shop that had the Creo, suggested the Diamondback Current as a very similar setup to the Creo at almost half the cost. He brought one in for me to test out, however it was a medium and a bit small for me, but overall, I liked it. so, I ordered the large and have new toy on its way.

My daughter will be getting the Cyrusher when the Current comes in.
 
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Gionnirocket

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USA
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Y. O.
well as I stated in the past, I started with an e-bike because at my weight a traditional bike would have been discouraging. no way I would have used it to commute to and from work 50 miles a day and put over 30,000 miles on it in 18 months.

at the time I bought what I could afford and what met my needs.

as for my kid, well she wanted to join me on weekend rides, so purchasing her an acoustic bike while I had an e-bike would be a bit unfair as I would leave her in the dust. so I bought her what I could afford for her at the time that would allow her to keep pace.


that being said...

my Cyrusher has been an excellent bike, it has a bit over 30,000 miles on it now. and I'm over the fat tire e-bike thing.

3 days ago I purchased a Diamondback Current, I was looking at the Yamaha Civante and the Specialized CreoSL

I rode the Yamaha at a local motorcycle dealer, it was pretty much perfect to me, but I did not like the design and the fat battery on the down tube.
I tried the CreoSL and liked it, didn't care for the $7,000 price tag.

The Bike shop that had the Creo, suggested the Diamondback Current as a very similar setup to the Creo at almost half the cost. He brought one in for me to test out, however it was a medium and a bit small for me, but overall, I liked it. so, I ordered the large and have new toy on its way.

My daughter will be getting the Cyrusher when the Current comes in.
Looks like you get a pass from being a dumb cheapskate American from the self proclaimed Euro Know_all👍
 

EMGX

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well as I stated in the past, I started with an e-bike because at my weight a traditional bike would have been discouraging. no way I would have used it to commute to and from work 50 miles a day and put over 30,000 miles on it in 18 months.
That is insane mileage. 50 miles 5days/wk for 78 weeks then another 67 miles every weekend day over those same 78 weeks. Even if you average a 20mph that would be 1500 hours/1.5 yrs or 2.74 hours every single day in a bike saddle. Beyond amazing but there are worthwhile things in life other than riding a bike.
 

mjeds

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USA
That is insane mileage. 50 miles 5days/wk for 78 weeks then another 67 miles every weekend day over those same 78 weeks. Even if you average a 20mph that would be 1500 hours/1.5 yrs or 2.74 hours every single day in a bike saddle. Beyond amazing but there are worthwhile things in life other than riding a bike.

I use it to commute back and forth to work, and have lost over 250lbs in the process, I just replaced the 3-4 hour a day car commute with exercise via the bike..

Bike riding isn't the only thing I do, I just chose to replace one form of transportation for another.
 

Gionnirocket

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Y. O.
I use it to commute back and forth to work, and have lost over 250lbs in the process, I just replaced the 3-4 hour a day car commute with exercise via the bike..

Bike riding isn't the only thing I do, I just chose to replace one form of transportation for another.
No where near as impressive... But I lost 10lbs (6%) my first summer on my 12yr old $200 Amazon bike when I added a cheapskate Bafang motor and Throttle... Just because I wanted to ride longer with my bad knee.
A year and a half and 6k mi later I'm still riding more, keeping the weight off and nothing has exploded... and most notable... all without a voltmeter.
 
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EMGX

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I use it to commute back and forth to work, and have lost over 250lbs in the process, I just replaced the 3-4 hour a day car commute with exercise via the bike..

Bike riding isn't the only thing I do, I just chose to replace one form of transportation for another.
Props to you! I used to commute 52 miles/day (~80-90 minutes a day total) driving my truck and put fewer miles on it in 18 months than you have on your bike and that includes thousands of miles besides work commuting. I looked into taking a bus part way then riding a bike the rest once in a while to work but even that would have taken far too much time. Again, you're beyond amazing!
 

mjeds

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USA
Props to you! I used to commute 52 miles/day (~80-90 minutes a day total) driving my truck and put fewer miles on it in 18 months than you have on your bike and that includes thousands of miles besides work commuting. I looked into taking a bus part way then riding a bike the rest once in a while to work but even that would have taken far too much time. Again, you're beyond amazing!
Thank you, it is not something I could do on an acoustic bike it wouldn't be worth it based on the time it would take, I have tried it and it takes about 1.5 to 1.75 hours without the PAS.

With the e-bike I average 22mph, I use riverbed bike paths for 14 of the 25 miles, to and from, which cuts down on the time as there no lights, stop signs, traffic. I average about 1 hour for those 25 miles via bike, and most of the time it is longer in my car. My vehicle shows an average speed of 17mph for that commute.

I only have 3,400 miles on my car in the same time frame, and 1,200 of that is L.A. to Pheonix and back a few times for work related stuff.
 

m@Robertson

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USA
I use it to commute back and forth to work, and have lost over 250lbs in the process, I just replaced the 3-4 hour a day car commute with exercise via the bike..
This is exactly what I started out doing with ebikes. Using a Sondors Original I spent $800 on and which gave me 4000 miles of trouble free commuting in the first year of ownership. Which more or less exposes the hogwash about cheap ebikes not being worth their price (if chosen wisely). For me the low entry cost was what I was willing to risk on what was at the time an unproven idea.

@mjeds we are all in the minor leagues compared to your mileage and weight loss results. Every one of us. My hat is off to you for your level of determination and stick-to-it-iveness. Not many people can do what you have done.
 

steve mercier

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Oh, f*ck off with that. Read it again. A properly built battery pack adhering to accepted standards are just as safe as your overpriced pack. You buy spendy eBikes, lots of builders have just as reliable rides and the right to repair. Now...go to your room...
Grumpy ....
 

steve mercier

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bought my kid a $699 Rattan Challenger with a 250watt motor for Christmas 2020, she has put 3,400 miles on it without a single issue.

it did 2 things for us. got her and I to connect and bond as we ride together on the weekends and it gets her to school and back (11 miles) several days a week since she has no interest in driving.

@$700 I am not concerned about it getting stolen or damaged, it works for her needs and allows her to join me on the weekends for a nice 30-40 mile ride. it gets 55 miles out of the battery humming along at 18-20mph for 40 miles. IMO a good $700 investment.
That is the beauty of a cheapo bike. If I had to leave a bike unattended I would buy something like a NCM Moscow and shed fewer tears when it spontaneously combusts.
 

pmcdonald

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There are plenty of paths to Ebike bliss, from budget entry level to high end. I don't find casting judgement over either extreme constructive.

My first purchase was an AU$1700 hub bike. The next was a AU$4k mid drive. Both were and are excellent commuters. Recently I dropped AU$7k on an 'entry level' emtb. No regrets. Friends are dropping 1.5x that. No regrets from them either.

A colleague bought an AU$1000 Aldi Ebike. That's like 600 euros or something.. insanely cheap. It's brilliant for them. They commute 28km a day on it and far as I'm aware it's been rock solid the last 12 months. Gets them out of the car and traffic, wonderful!
 

PedalUma

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There are plenty of paths to Ebike bliss, from budget entry level to high end. I don't find casting judgement over either extreme constructive.

My first purchase was an AU$1700 hub bike. The next was a AU$4k mid drive. Both were and are excellent commuters. Recently I dropped AU$7k on an 'entry level' emtb. No regrets. Friends are dropping 1.5x that. No regrets from them either.

A colleague bought an AU$1000 Aldi Ebike. That's like 600 euros or something.. insanely cheap. It's brilliant for them. They commute 28km a day on it and far as I'm aware it's been rock solid the last 12 months. Gets them out of the car and traffic, wonderful!
A less expensive eBikes can be a gateway drug. Many people do not have the vocabulary to describe a decent eBike when they start. It is also like someone who is 17 tasting wine. They will pick the bland sweet one that costs $5 over the dry complex one that costs $125. Tastes eventually evolve. Then people can't ride off-the-rack bikes like Stefan's and want something sophisticated and bespoke that no one else has.