With Scorpions Almost Ready... What Will Tora Work On Next?

What Will Tora Work On Next?

  • Pedal-less Moped

    Votes: 2 15.4%
  • Cargo Bike

    Votes: 2 15.4%
  • Refreshing existing models

    Votes: 3 23.1%
  • Plus Bike (2.4-3" tires)

    Votes: 3 23.1%
  • Bafang Ultra (Mid-drive) Bike

    Votes: 4 30.8%
  • Folding Bike

    Votes: 2 15.4%
  • Full Suspension e-bike

    Votes: 4 30.8%
  • 24" Wheel Scorpion

    Votes: 1 7.7%

  • Total voters
    13

Asher

Well-Known Member
Despite what the ebike hype says, I don't think ebikes are changing that dramatically over time, and the possibilities in the short term (within 2 years) are pretty limited.

So what do you think Tora will do next?

I would bet on something moped-like. Tora has never done a mid-drive bike and doesn't seem interested in it; folding bikes are kind of niche and potentially fragile, and it seems like Tora likes doing his own frames but that's a stretch/challenge with a folder. I imagine there's a reason he stopped doing cargo bikes. A full suspension ebike is also plausible, since he sort of did one already with the Scorpion.

But I'm not wedded to any answer, just curious, especially as a bellwether of the industry.
 

Timpo

Well-Known Member
Juiced already had the U500.

Despite the 48V 32Ah battery, it never got popular.

I don't know why?
Image result for juiced u500
 

CityExplorer

Active Member
An alternative list :)
  1. Fixing his existing models
  2. Stocking up on parts
  3. Reducing the cost of the 52v 19Ah battery
  4. A proper rear fender for his fat-tire bikes
  5. Marketing
 

Asher

Well-Known Member
Juiced already had the U500.

Despite the 48V 32Ah battery, it never got popular.

I don't know why?
Image result for juiced u500
I don't know but each year Juiced's bikes get less and less utilitarian. From cargo bikes to commuters to fat tire to vestigial pedal mopeds. I think a totally pedal-free moped with an 'off-road only' throttle to 28-30 mph is a natural next step, though state laws complicate that, pedals are required in CA and possibly elsewhere.



An alternative list :)
  1. Fixing his existing models
  2. Stocking up on parts
  3. Reducing the cost of the 52v 19Ah battery
  4. A proper rear fender for his fat-tire bikes
  5. Marketing
Ha agreed, if it were a wish list mine would look very different from the poll.

And yeah, Juiced battery prices look pretty ridiculous vs say, Ride1Up. Once customers look at spare battery prices when making ebike purchases, prices may come down.
 

Jsaint

New Member
I think full suspension is likely if you simply stick to a new design but the real innovation at this point is new battery technology.
Graphene, Sodium-ion, Supercapacitors, and Solid-state all pretty much ready if widely adopted and made in high enough volume to be priced reasonably.
Anyhow, here is an article with links to read up on popular innovations we might get soon. https://www.pocket-lint.com/gadgets...in-seconds-last-months-and-power-over-the-air

Personally I'm dreaming of instant charging and longer life.
 

TMH

Well-Known Member
I don't want to give Tora any more ideas until he completes the HyperScorpions - We have one on pre-order for my wife!;) Originally for May delivery, now July, and hope it doesn't slip further.

Tora's/Juiced's corporate mantra centers around 'the micro-mobility revolution'. You maybe wouldn't know that based on the bikes they currently produce (scaled more towards the 'fun' side of e-bikes), but they have to make money to achieve their ultimate goals, and fun sells.

I don't see them making any type of superbike to compete with the likes of the new Watt Wagon of FLX Blade.

But I definitely could see them making an electric moped - not too far a stretch from the Scrambler/Scorpion bikes which they now have some experience with. And an electric moped (even one without pedals) would not be too much of a legality challenge since there are already electric scooters available (legal on streets with posted speed limits of up to 35 mph), even in draconian states like the People's Republik of Kommifornia. An electric moped could be lighter and more approachable as compared to existing electric scooters, and Juiced could give it some pretty good range with their big batteries.

But I also voted for a full suspension bike in the poll, and this is maybe the most likely next product. We are seeing a growing popularity of a fast, full suspension, commuting and light XC bikes (a'la Frey CC, new/upgraded Bulls Iconic EVO TR1 Speed) in the market now. These seem to differ from the fast trekking bikes not only in having full suspension but also in having wider tires for a more comfortable ride on bad roads, and some light fire road capabilities. Fast, effective and comfortable for the weekly commute (micro-mobility) and able to have some different kinds of fun on the weekend.

With Juiced's existing high capacity battery focus and their ability to bring a lower cost alternative into the U.S. market, I see them being able to effectively compete against the existing Frey, Bulls and other similar models.
 

Asher

Well-Known Member
I think the trend bikes for 2020 are stealthy ebikes and mini-mopeds, and Juiced is clearly ignoring the former and embracing the latter.

I'm hoping that the huge boom in ebike sales tilts interest back towards utility models like the CCS.

I've mostly lost interest in Juiced as a brand. Existing models need to be re-specced, the spare batteries are overpriced, QC issues potentially, chronic stockouts of parts... And all of those have been going on for 1+ years. Seems like they need a COO or something to tighten things up while letting Tora do his thing. Maybe hire a chief design/product officer as well.

Ride1Up hasn't caught up to Juiced in some ways, but it's on a great trajectory.
 

TMH

Well-Known Member
...Ride1Up hasn't caught up to Juiced in some ways, but it's on a great trajectory.
Agreed - will be fun to watch what they come up with over the next couple of years. Their bread-and-butter bikes are essentially done and hopefully with the income from those they can get into some more new and fun stuff. Generally a really good time to be into e-bikes.
 

Asher

Well-Known Member
Agreed - will be fun to watch what they come up with over the next couple of years. Their bread-and-butter bikes are essentially done and hopefully with the income from those they can get into some more new and fun stuff. Generally a really good time to be into e-bikes.
I'm hoping that especially with the pandemic boosting interest in biking for transport, class 3 commuters will get more interest. Since day 1 of looking at ebikes (early 2018) it's been obvious to me class 3 is the real solution for e-bikes as transport in the US, but most ebikes are sold as toys. It's nuts to me that there's only two makers at this price point and category, but tons of fatbike and scrambler clones. For hub drives, at least.